Swine Flu Vaccines! (health, best, locations)

[MrsMtnsOnTheMind]

Originally Posted by HugeTon

I am totally in agreement with you on this. There are so many resources in the internet these days but people have to be careful of what they read. Web Drs, I laughed. As a healthcare provider/professional it would be very helpful, as part of their job, is to provide the information to the families about the vaccine. Educate the public, if there are available, the pros and cons, side effects of receiving the vaccine and let them make their own informed decision whether they should receive the vaccine or not. Don't tell people that they should not do the vaccine just 'because' (personal belief?), without any back up evidence IMO.

Herein lies the problem.....the doctors can't tell you what is in the vaccine because they don't know. Only the CDC knows and they aren't telling anyone. It is not like the seasonal flu shot as someone suggested, it is different. Also the CDC admits that the H1N1 that was tested in clinical trials is not the same shot that has been released to the public.

[texas7]

This is sort of a useless debate because it is a matter of opinion and w/o any concrete evidence from reputable sources - people's minds won't be swayed. I was hesitant at first but as I have seen people get it with no problems and seen the majority of drs. & staff at the offices I patronize get it, I changed my views and decided I was comfortable with it and if offered to me, I would probably take it.

I found it somewhat comforting that our Pres. got his kids vaccinated because if anyone is going to know the true risks and whether the advantages outweigh the risks, I would think it would be his family .... I would imagine the Pres's kids aren't going to be subjects of experimentation.

Of course the conspiracy theorists will try and claim that they got something different than the rest of the public.

[MrsMtnsOnTheMind]

Originally Posted by texas7

This is sort of a useless debate because it is a matter of opinion and w/o any concrete evidence from reputable sources - people's minds won't be swayed. I was hesitant at first but as I have seen people get it with no problems and seen the majority of drs. & staff at the offices I patronize get it, I changed my views and decided I was comfortable with it and if offered to me, I would probably take it.

I found it somewhat comforting that our Pres. got his kids vaccinated because if anyone is going to know the true risks and whether the advantages outweigh the risks, I would think it would be his family .... I would imagine the Pres's kids aren't going to be subjects of experimentation.

Of course the conspiracy theorists will try and claim that they got something different than the rest of the public.

Don't know if ABC News is credible enough for you but consider the following:

BERLIN - A debate over two different swine flu vaccines overshadowed Germany's launch of a public inoculation program against the pandemic on Monday. Critics warned the vaccinations campaign could be a "million-euro flop" as many people might refuse to participate after learning they would receive a different shot than one being given to politicians, high-ranking government employees and soldiers. http://www.wjla.com/news/stories/1009/672315.html

What's to say the president's kids didn't get a "different" shot then the public or even one at at all? Maybe they got the seasonal flu shot and not the H1N1. Our government has been known to steep to the lowest tactics possible to make people do things they wouldn't normally do.

Remember if you will, the Tuskegee Syphilis Experiment:

"To ensure that the men would show up for a painful and potentially dangerous spinal tap, the U.S. Public Health Service doctors misled them with a letter full of promotional hype: “Last Chance for Special Free Treatment.” The fact that autopsies would eventually be required was also concealed.

As a doctor explained, “If the colored population becomes aware that accepting free hospital care means a post-mortem, every darky will leave Macon County...” Even the Surgeon General of the United States participated in enticing the men to remain in the experiment, sending them certificates of appreciation after 25 years in the study."

This happened just 37 years ago.

[texas7]

thanks but I'm not ready to take us back 37 years ago to the racism that existed back then. A lot of people today weren't born during that era and times have changed significantly. So I can't compare that with todays H1N1 vaccines nor do I care to.

The vaccine is what it is - new. Some will feel fairly safe taking while others will not, just like the many people who will not take a regular seasonal flu shot - they never have and never will. Just another choice.

[karuna95]

Originally Posted by MrsMtnsOnTheMind

Remember if you will, the Tuskegee Syphilis Experiment:

"To ensure that the men would show up for a painful and potentially dangerous spinal tap, the U.S. Public Health Service doctors misled them with a letter full of promotional hype: “Last Chance for Special Free Treatment.” The fact that autopsies would eventually be required was also concealed.

As a doctor explained, “If the colored population becomes aware that accepting free hospital care means a post-mortem, every darky will leave Macon County...” Even the Surgeon General of the United States participated in enticing the men to remain in the experiment, sending them certificates of appreciation after 25 years in the study."

This happened just 37 years ago.

The Tuskegee Study began in 1932 and was shut down in 1972. Not sure where you got the quote from the doctor, but a detailed rendition of the history of the study, its goals, how it was carried out, and what closed it, is presented in "Bad Blood: The Tuskegee Syphilis Experiment", by James H. Jones. A good background is provided by the Centers for Disease Control.

If you're interested in the H1N1 vaccine, and which city/county public health clinics has it, contact Gateway to Care. They have updated lists daily.

I got both the flu and the H1N1, and I'm doing fine. No side effects, and feeling great (as usual)

[XodoX]

Where did you get the H1N1? I wanna get it too, but time's running out soon.

[MrsMtnsOnTheMind]

Originally Posted by karuna95

The Tuskegee Study began in 1932 and was shut down in 1972. Not sure where you got the quote from the doctor, but a detailed rendition of the history of the study, its goals, how it was carried out, and what closed it, is presented in "Bad Blood: The Tuskegee Syphilis Experiment", by James H. Jones. A good background is provided by the Centers for Disease Control.

If you're interested in the H1N1 vaccine, and which city/county public health clinics has it, contact Gateway to Care. They have updated lists daily.

I got both the flu and the H1N1, and I'm doing fine. No side effects, and feeling great (as usual)

I think you missed the point. The Tuskegee Syphilis Experiment quote was a point in reference to anchor the reader in the fact that the atrocity and subsequent government cover up occurred not that long ago.

Side effects can occur years later as was seen by the swine flu vaccine of the 1970's.

[MrsMtnsOnTheMind]

Originally Posted by texas7

thanks but I'm not ready to take us back 37 years ago to the racism that existed back then. A lot of people today weren't born during that era and times have changed significantly. So I can't compare that with todays H1N1 vaccines nor do I care to.

The vaccine is what it is - new. Some will feel fairly safe taking while others will not, just like the many people who will not take a regular seasonal flu shot - they never have and never will. Just another choice.

This is not about racism, it is about our government doing things on the sly and then covering it up. Times have not changed that much, history repeats itself again and again. But we will just stick our heads in the sand and pretend the world is a safe and wonderful place.

[XodoX]

Originally Posted by karuna95

The Tuskegee Study began in 1932 and was shut down in 1972. Not sure where you got the quote from the doctor, but a detailed rendition of the history of the study, its goals, how it was carried out, and what closed it, is presented in "Bad Blood: The Tuskegee Syphilis Experiment", by James H. Jones. A good background is provided by the Centers for Disease Control.

If you're interested in the H1N1 vaccine, and which city/county public health clinics has it, contact Gateway to Care. They have updated lists daily.

I got both the flu and the H1N1, and I'm doing fine. No side effects, and feeling great (as usual)

MrsMtnsOnTheMind dosen't get it. Can't help him. Let's focus on the real issue. Where do I get it here

[karuna95]

Since the vaccines are still trickling in, at varying times, and in various quantities, your best bet is to check with the City's Flu Hotline daily, to see if new vaccines have arrived, and which clinics are offering the vaccine that day. Note that priority will go to the highest risk group -- young children, pregnant women, and those with COPD and/or compromised immune systems. Then you should get to the clinic as quickly as you can. You'll probably have to wait in line. Meanwhile, make sure you've gotten the regular flu vaccine, wash your hands frequently, and try to avoid sniffly people and kids .

I work in a hospital, and have asthma, so am considered at higher risk. Frankly, I wouldn't have considered it for myself otherwise, as I had my regular flu vaccine, wash hands regularly, and take precautions with sniffly, sick people. My pediatrician friends tell me that about 90% of their patients with flu have H1N1, and for the most part, the kids recovered without incident. It's the parents who need emotional support, because they're so crazed with worry. Of course, there's also have the conspiracy theorists who don't worry at all, or worry about the wrong things...

You can also check with your personal physician to see if they have received the vaccine. They'd only get it if they had requested it from the CDC, and many private docs did NOT request. For the ones that did, vaccines are shipped to them in the same haphazard manner that they're shipped to City and County health departments -- with no notice, and in varying quantities, on varying dates. Hope that helps!

Here's a very nice article by Dr. Paul A. Offit, the chief of the infectious diseases division of the Children’s Hospital of Philadelphia (reported in NYTimes) about the myths and realities of H1N1 and vaccine.