Smoking ban? (Howe, Comfort: ordinance, retire, health)

[TexasTheKid]

Originally Posted by AlexTx

Kinda sad that you are killing yourself and family with tobacco and want the right to kill us too. Kinda sad that you are so addicted, you can't see what it's doing to you. Kinda sad that you actually think secondhand smoke isn't dangerous. Kinda sad that you don't know the difference between cigarette smoke and campfire smoke.

I don't care if you smoke. I don't care if you give yourself cancer, aneurysms, chronic bronchitis, emphysema, and have a stroke. Just don't poison me and my family.

http://www.cancer.org/docroot/PED/content/PED_10_2X_Secondhand_Smoke-Clean_Indoor_Air.asp

How is advocating less government interference killing your family? How is that wanting the right to kill you? How is not relating rape and murder to smoking at all indicative of any kind of addiction? How is actually being educated on the effects of second-hand smoke, as opposed to swallowing wholely the perpetuated fear-mongering myths, indicative of a lack of knowledge on the subject? How can you take a tongue-in-cheek analogy about campfires and take that as proof-positive evidence of a deficiency in my intellect? How can you say you don't care what I do, and then support a law that limits what I can do?

Answer these questions, and then we can rationally talk about this matter. Until you can do that, you're just another zealot espousing biased propaganda, using ridiculously over-inflated scare scenarios to sway your audience's opinions.

[TexasTheKid]

Originally Posted by XodoX

No, you just didn't get it ( the point). Has nothing to do with you agreeing/disagreeing.

Then what, pray tell, is the point? Because what I hear is you ridiculously relating over-and-over again that smoking is on par with rape (which is oddly equivalent to speeding in your book). I think you need to reconfigure your priorities and realize what is, and conversely what is not, important. And the fact I disagree with you doesn't make me uninformed or indicate that I don't "get it." That little statement of yours is ridiculous beyond measure. You can attempt to belittle my opinion, but your conceits are exposed for what they actually are: conceits.

I will grant smoking is annoying and disgusting, but who are you to tell a business owner how to run their business? Who is anyone to do that?

And, please, for the love of god, leave that rape rhetoric at home. Until I see a business establishment called Joe's Rape Emporium, I will continue to dismiss your oversimplified reasoning.

[AlexTx]

Originally Posted by TexasTheKid

How is advocating less government inference killing your family?
How is that wanting the right to kill you?

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Anti-smoking laws protect my family from the health problems caused by secondhand smoke.

Originally Posted by TexasTheKid

How is not relating rape and murder to smoking at all indicative of any kind of addiction?

I didn't make that comparison, but I think their point was that laws protect us.

Originally Posted by TexasTheKid

How is actually being educated on the effects of second-hand smoke, as opposed to swallowing wholely the perpetuated fear-mongering myths, indicative of a lack of knowledge on the subject?

If you were educated on the effects, we wouldn't be having this conversation. I really hope you are not seriously suggesting that second-hand smoke has no ill effects. If so, you need a reality check.

Originally Posted by TexasTheKid

How can you take a tongue-in-cheek analogy about campfires and take that as proof-positive evidence of a deficiency in my intellect?

Very easily. I made a tongue-in-cheek comment to illustrate your faulty logic.

Originally Posted by TexasTheKid

How can you say you don't care what I do, and then support a law that limits what I can do?

I don't care what you do to yourself. I care what you do to others.

Originally Posted by TexasTheKid

Answer these questions, and then we can rationally talk about this matter. Until you can do that, you're just another zealot espousing biased propaganda, using ridiculously over-inflated scare scenarios to sway your audience's opinions.

I answered your questions. Let me ask you this - do you smoke in your house and in other indoor places around your non-smoking family members? Do you smoke in the car when your family is with you? Do you have kids? Do you smoke around them? Is there anyone you wouldn't smoke around? A pregnant woman? An elderly person with emphysema?

[XodoX]

Originally Posted by TexasTheKid

Then what, pray tell, is the point? Because what I hear is you ridiculously relating over-and-over again that smoking is on par with rape (which is oddly equivalent to speeding in your book). I think you need to reconfigure your priorities and realize what is, and conversely what is not, important. And the fact I disagree with you doesn't make me uninformed or indicate that I don't "get it." That little statement of yours is ridiculous beyond measure. You can attempt to belittle my opinion, but your conceits are exposed for what they actually are: conceits.

I will grant smoking is annoying and disgusting, but who are you to tell a business owner how to run their business? Who is anyone to do that?

And, please, for the love of god, leave that rape rhetoric at home. Until I see a business establishment called Joe's Rape Emporium, I will continue to dismiss your oversimplified reasoning.

And that's what you did not get / I did not say. Read it again. AlexTx understood it.

[XodoX]

Originally Posted by HookTheBrotherUp

The difference between a rape, and smoke is... when someone is being raped, they most likely are not in control, and don't have a choice. When someone is smoking, you simply ask to be moved, or leave and deny the establishment business. Someone's smoke is not being forced upon you, you always have the right to leave and go somewhere else.

Just about everyone knows the dangers of smoke, and chewing, yet people take that risk; let them live with the consequences. My neighbor died of throat cancer for both of those reasons. Second hand smoke can be avoided. An adult person should not have the government telling them what they should avoid just because the government wants to play mother to people.

Did I mention I can't stand smoke? When my wife and I go anywhere and we've been exposed to smoke, it does not matter if it's 03:00 in the morning, we take showers as soon as we get home, we dislike it that much. But the government needs to stay out of people's lives.

Your argument about allowing rape, taxes and speeding, etc. is just insulting to most reading this thread.

1. The smoke does not stay within a certain area. It's all over the place. And no, I'm certainly not gonna leave. I don't have too. Now they gotta leave


2. Again, it must have went right over your head too. This coment is insulting your intelligence, yes. You're putting words in my mouth. Refer to my comment above.

[westres1]

Originally Posted by HookTheBrotherUp

The difference between a rape, and smoke is... when someone is being raped, they most likely are not in control, and don't have a choice. When someone is smoking, you simply ask to be moved, or leave and deny the establishment business. Someone's smoke is not being forced upon you, you always have the right to leave and go somewhere else.
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I dont want to go somewhere else just because a smoker has to smoke and foul up the air that my family is breathing. If someone wants to smoke do it without polluting my air. There is a point when your right to smoke is converging with my right to clean air. And since second hand smoke is dangerous my rights outweigh yours.
It is common courtesy this Country has been lacking for years. Everyone thinks they have rights. But people have forgotten your rights end when they infringe on the rights of others.

[HookTheBrotherUp]

I believe the argument was about rights/liberties being taken away. If the smoker was there first, and you came second, who should leave?

Benjamim Franklin said it best...

They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. ~Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania, 1759

[XodoX]

Originally Posted by HookTheBrotherUp

I believe the argument was about rights/liberties being taken away. If the smoker was there first, and you came second, who should leave?

Benjamim Franklin said it best...

They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. ~Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania, 1759

Why do we have the death penalty? That's not individual liberty to me. The word liberty is a word one can strech. It can be interpreted in MANY ways. I always hate it when people throw those words at you and say " that's what our founding fathers based this country on" and at the same time apply those words to everything in a different way. If we had real liberty, we would have gay-marriage, no death penalty etc. , imo.

Like I already said, the government needs to regulate the country. That's why we have a government. That's why there's a smoking ban and it's also why illegal drugs are not allowed.

[HookTheBrotherUp]

Originally Posted by XodoX

Like I already said, the government needs to regulate the country. That's why we have a government.

That is not what is outlined in our constitution, it's progressives that twist it and find rights that don't exist. The powers granted to the federal government are clearly defined and limited, mainly collecting tax, regulating commerce and protecting the country with a military. It is just amazing how perverted politicians and activist judges have made it.

Nonetheless, smoking is not in included; in the great practice of Federalism, the states are free to enact their own laws. Smoking bans will not ever rise to the level of life, such as the abortion issue, so it will not ever be tested.

BTW, the smoking ban is an ordinance, not a law. It would fail miserably as a law for reasons stated above by me.

[Trudysmom]

Is there a ban in Fort Bend county, in Katy? My husband had heard there is no ban there. I am certainly hoping there is no smoking so we can eat out.