Is Clements High School a good school? (Houston, Austin: top schools, universities)

[crbcrbrgv]

Originally Posted by LizzySWW

I know Clements well. It scores so high because of student demographics.

About half of the students are Asian. Neighborhoods zoned to Clements are home to the highest population of Asians combined with the highest Asian academic levels & Asian income/home values, in the state. (SAT scores of individual ethnic groups can be found at Har.com.)

The other half are white kids who work hard in school, but without the same intensity as their Asian counterparts with that amazing 24/7 academic dedication/drive.

If Clements SAT's at 1150 don't satisfy the OP, I doubt our top magnets will suffice:
Debakey (SAT avg. is 1160)
Carnegie Vanguard (SAT avg. is 1162)

Lastly, FWIW, if you make a "Clements = rich kid school" comment in the better parts of Houston, you'll encounter more than a few raised eyebrows. Kinkaid, Duchesne & St. Johns are rich kid schools and there's GIANT gap in income levels of these parents compared to Clements.

If you look at demographic trends, Kempner will likely be number 2 in FBISD in the near future due to the Asian 24/7 drive. I don't think anybody in their right mind would ever call Kempner a rich kid school. Clements hardly qualifies as one either.

[XodoX]

Originally Posted by sbhubbell

Can I just add here that speaking as someone who can relate to the OP's standards, I would certainly NOT be planning on sending my kid to a "good" college via the 10% rule. With those standards, public universities in Texas are not the ultimate goal. Sending your kid to a less competative school so that then can be in the top 10% is completely self-defeating, IMHO.

Well, that's how you get into UT Austin these days.

[LizzySWW]

Originally Posted by va_residents

2007 is 2155, 2008 is 2183 and 2009 is 2184. 2184 out of 2400 is 91%. I think this is ok score. If kids can get 100 points higher than average, it will be good score. 2284 out of 2400 is 95%. 95% will be considered good score. 99%-100% is excellent score.

Are we really talking about the same SAT test & same scoring scale?

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[Houston321]

Originally Posted by va_residents

2007 is 2155, 2008 is 2183 and 2009 is 2184. 2184 out of 2400 is 91%. I think this is ok score. If kids can get 100 points higher than average, it will be good score. 2284 out of 2400 is 95%. 95% will be considered good score. 99%-100% is excellent score.

You aren't comparing the scores right. The scoring system you are talking about breaks the SAT's into three categories. The scores we are talking about breaks the SAT's into two categories...Verbal/Math.

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[va_residents]

[quote=Houston321;11384755]You aren't comparing the scores right. The scoring system you are talking about breaks the SAT's into three categories. The scores we are talking about breaks the SAT's into two categories...Verbal/Math.

TJ 2009 Verbal/Math is 723/747. It is 1470. Way above Clements.

[sbhubbell]

Originally Posted by XodoX

Well, that's how you get into UT Austin these days.

Did you miss my point or what? With THOSE standards, UT Austin is NOT the goal. Harvard, Princeton, or Rice would be the goal.

[LizzySWW]

Originally Posted by sbhubbell

With THOSE standards, UT Austin is NOT the goal. Harvard, Princeton, or Rice would be the goal.

Didn't you know that the top 10% of Texas HS graduates aren't really smart enough for Harvard or Princeton? We be dum in teaxis fur sur.

You should add The University of Virginia to that stellar list of universities. lol!

[EasilyAmused]

I think the top 10% rule kills a strong/balanced student population...skews it.. throws creativity under the bus. And then admissions all has to do with "diversity" after that. I'm with SBH. I would more than encourage a kid to look outside Texas, or private colleges within. As I've said before, the only "average" sibling in our family, I love the guy though, went to UT from being in the top 2% of his class. Gen-X hippie throwback. He definately ranks in the "clone" category. PS- Being an Austin bartender is average in my family's book.

There's a reason people (those who can afford to do it) chose private schools and private colleges.

[XodoX]

Originally Posted by sbhubbell

Did you miss my point or what? With THOSE standards, UT Austin is NOT the goal. Harvard, Princeton, or Rice would be the goal.

Never said she wanted her kids to go there. That's why I'm assuming they might stay in state

[Oildog]

Think about it...lots of the kids in those schools are from parents who are corporate level in the energy industry, likely reasonbly bright folks. They likely had pretty decent opportunities to learn, and are encouraged to do well in their studies. I wouldnt worry a whole lot about test score 'average numbers.