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Old 12-17-2010, 04:40 PM
 
Location: Huntington, WV
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There are likely few fully electric cars in Huntington right now, but many current hybrids and popular models are going to be released as plug in hybrids next year. Those cars would need this type of charger. It's simply a case of someone trying to be forward thinking, and likely get a tax credit at the same time. Plus, if an electric car is passing nearby on the interstate and Huntington happens to be the only place close where the driver can charge their car, guess where they will be making a pit stop. Smart move in my opinion.

Only two chargers were installed at the McDonald's so it's not like it's a huge investment and the whole parking lot won't be taken up by cars just sitting there charging.

Here's a good web site that talks about which cars will be plug ins next year:

Plug-In Hybrid & Electric Vehicles - PHEVs - News & Reviews | PluginCars.com
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Old 12-18-2010, 07:51 AM
 
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There isn't going to be electric cars going by on the interstate for a long time. Despite the possibilities we don't have the technology for that yet.

Sounds like this McD's has come up with a way for some free publicity. One has to give them props for that.
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Old 12-18-2010, 02:45 PM
 
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There isn't going to be electric cars going by on the interstate for a long time. Despite the possibilities we don't have the technology for that yet.

Sounds like this McD's has come up with a way for some free publicity. One has to give them props for that.
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Chevrolet Volt on sale now (in some markets). Nissan Leaf on sale soon, if it isn't already.

While both are hybrids, and not pure electric vehicles, they both can be plugged into an outlet and recharged.
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Old 12-18-2010, 04:13 PM
 
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Chevrolet Volt on sale now (in some markets). Nissan Leaf on sale soon, if it isn't already.

While both are hybrids, and not pure electric vehicles, they both can be plugged into an outlet and recharged.
The Volt can go appx 35-40 miles on electric power. Nobody is going to go from off ramp to off ramp charging their car.

In actual safe interstate driving 65-70 the Leaf isn't going to do much if any better.

I haven't seen MPG ratings on the Leaf but the Volt's is very dissapointing. In the upper 30's. There are strictly gas engines that do better than that for half the money.

The Volt is going to be a failure.
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Old 12-19-2010, 07:13 AM
 
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The Volt can go appx 35-40 miles on electric power. Nobody is going to go from off ramp to off ramp charging their car.

In actual safe interstate driving 65-70 the Leaf isn't going to do much if any better.

I haven't seen MPG ratings on the Leaf but the Volt's is very dissapointing. In the upper 30's. There are strictly gas engines that do better than that for half the money.

The Volt is going to be a failure.
Wrong wrong wrong. Volt can get way better MPG than that. Tons of mags and some news companies have already started doing tests on it some are showing their mpg at over 90.

http://blogs.motortrend.com/127-mpg-...told-2724.html
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Old 12-19-2010, 08:40 AM
 
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Measuring the MPG of a plug-in hybrid is largely a function of what assumptions you want to make:

In pure electric mode (always recharging from an outboard source), the Volt can get an almost infinite MPG rating. It's "almost" because the gas engine automatically comes on periodically so it gradually uses up the fuel in the tank, so you don't end up with a tank full of stale gasoline. I've seen numbers for the Volt in the 200 mpg range when calculated this way.

In the worst case, all the motive power will come from the gasoline engine (i.e., the battery is discharged). I believe that is where the "high 30s" number comes from.

In the real world, any number between the two extremes is possible, depending on miles driven between charges, driving conditions (even with charge available, the gas engine can kick in to supplement the battery, for example when climbing a long grade or sustained high speed driving).

In order to compare apples to apples, most ratings now include a "kWHr/mile" number, which converts the energy in a gallon of gasoline into the equivalent kWHr value. But the duty-cycle impacts still remain... I believe the EPA is working on a standardized set of driving profiles, similar to what are used for emissions certification.
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Old 12-20-2010, 03:44 PM
 
Location: Huntington, WV
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Regardless of actual MPG, the fact is that there will be several cars on the road next year that at the very least will be an electric hybrid with a plug-in option. If someone wants better gas mileage and is driving by Huntington, they now have a place to plug in.

My biggest question is what is going to replace the old McDonald's? McDonald's likely has a buyer for the old property in place since they built this on an entirely new lot. Otherwise, their practice has been to tear down and rebuild on the same lot. It will be interesting to see.
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Old 12-20-2010, 07:58 PM
 
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The Volt can go appx 35-40 miles on electric power. Nobody is going to go from off ramp to off ramp charging their car.

In actual safe interstate driving 65-70 the Leaf isn't going to do much if any better.

I haven't seen MPG ratings on the Leaf but the Volt's is very dissapointing. In the upper 30's. There are strictly gas engines that do better than that for half the money.

The Volt is going to be a failure.
Not sure if the exact figure has changed, but the Volt was to have a 600 mile range on charged batteries and a tank of gas. The car can continue on gas after the batteries are done.
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Old 12-21-2010, 08:42 AM
 
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Claims are a long way from real world experiences.

The reviewer took the car through three full recharge cycles. He was able to get 31, 35, and 33 miles of EV range, for a total average of 33 miles. This included one drive of 78 MPG highway in which the 33 mile range was achieved.

Not very impressive, especially for the money. Will electrics improve over the years? I'm sure they will. Funny though, nobody includes the cost to recharge them into their MPG calculations though.

Popular Mechanics Finds Chevrolet Volt Gets 32 MPG City and 36 MPG Highway in Extended Range Mode
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Old 12-21-2010, 10:19 AM
 
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Considering just gasoline mode, there's no magic technology that will overcome the fundamental physics for a given weight, engine size/type, aero drag (Cd), etc. So I wouldn't expect gasoline mode to be all that different than a traditional car of the same size, and probably a little less due to the extra weight of the batteries.

I believe a full charge on the Volt is around 10 kWHr, or about $1.00~1.25 at current residential electric rates. It would take about a gallon of gas to drive the distance of a single charge (30~35 miles), so instead of $3.00 to drive that distance using gasoline, it will cost $1.00~1.25.

And that's not counting the less easily quantified benefits, such as reducing the demand for foreign oil or the reduction in pollution levels (which varies depending on the fuel used to generate the electricity).
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