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Old 04-04-2013, 01:27 PM
 
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This is the Huntington forum, I shouldn't have to go to the Morgantown forum to find YOUR proof for you.your proof is easy to access, then post it here.
Yes this is the Huntington forum so you shouldn't be changing the subject to Morgantown.

Lik. I said I don't need to show proof. You need to prove a negative I don't need to disprove one. You are wrong by default and will be presumed to be so regardleas of what i do until YOU show proof. However, you can finds proof you are wrong in the Morgantown forumnif you want it.
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Old 04-04-2013, 01:32 PM
 
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I wasn't the one who originally changed the subject to Morgantown.

Also, I hope you are typing on your phone, otherwise you need to work on your spelling and punctuation.
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Old 04-04-2013, 01:43 PM
 
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I wasn't the one who originally changed the subject to Morgantown.

Also, I hope you are typing on your phone, otherwise you need to work on your spelling and punn.
I am on a phone and it is a pain. I apologize for the errors.

In this case Tbailey changed the subject to Morgantown. The burden of proof rest with the person(s) making a claim. So don't claim the census does anything for Morgantown unless you can prove it.
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Old 04-04-2013, 04:29 PM
 
Location: Huntington, WV
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Even Tim admits the census is made up now. You are big on proof so I look forward to your proof that Morgantoen benefits from made up BS. Until then YOU are wrong.
I never said the census was made up. Please quit attributing quotes to me that I did not say. I do not appreciate it and ask you to stop.

I made the initial statement of MSA benefit so here's proof. It comes from the WVU report profiling the new designation and all of the good it will do for Morgantown.

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Finally, the MSA designation may raise the visibility of our region, as we join the list of MSAs in the U.S. Site selection specialists frequently describe their search as a narrowing down process. They work by excluding regions/communities that are not of interest to the firm. For instance, a firm may be looking to expand into the East Coast of the U.S. Once that decision is made, the site selection process will gradually narrow down the search to states on the East Coast, and then to communities within a set of states. It is common for this set of communities to include all MSAs within a particular area. Thus, with its name now on the list of MSAs, Morgantown may attract more attention from site selection specialists (and firms in general) than it has in the past. This in turn may mean more firms locating in the area and more job and income growth.
http://www.be.wvu.edu/bber/pdfs/BBER-2003-06.pdf

Now go ahead and tell us they didn't really mean it though.
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Old 04-04-2013, 04:41 PM
 
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I never said the census was made up. Please quit attributing quotes to me that I did not say. I do not appreciate it and ask you to stop.

I made the initial statement of MSA benefit so here's proof. It comes from the WVU report profiling the new designation and all of the good it will do for Morgantown.



http://www.be.wvu.edu/bber/pdfs/BBER-2003-06.pdf

Now go ahead and tell us they didn't really mean it though.
You did it. You called it arbritary which in this case is a fancy way to say made up. It is like bovine feces instead of saying BS.

You offered an opinion piece with no data. That is not proof. If someone's opinion is now proof than everything I say on this site is now proof. My explanation on why it doesn't effect Huntington is now proof equal to yours. however, unlike your editorial my view is based off data while your opinion is not based on anything. Using your rules I would be right.

In the future I never want you to dispute anything I ever say. I am giving you advance warning I am sourcing my own opinion which to you is proof, per your use of opinion alone as a source.

I can't wait to see you back out of this one.
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Old 04-04-2013, 04:58 PM
 
Location: Huntington, WV
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You may think the Census Bureau's data to be arbitrary but that matters little when it is the standard on which all other population data is based, like it or not. I'm not arguing one way or the other. It is what it is.
See, the "you may think" was in reference to what CT said, not my opinion. For someone so smart, you wouldn't think I'd have to explain that to you.

The business report from WVU was based on solid data and study, unlike your flawed opinion. Here is the data from the following years that supports the assertion from that report:

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During the last five years(2002-2007), the Morgantown MSA added 9,000 jobs and drove its unemployment rate down from 4.1 percent in 2001 to 3.2 percent in 2006. The region also added 2,898 residents during the 2001 to 2005 period and posted per capita personal income growth of 4.4 percent per year, well above the rate of inflation, as well as the state and national rates of growth.
http://www.be.wvu.edu/bber/pdfs/BBER-2007-04.pdf

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Old 04-04-2013, 05:09 PM
 
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I actually said:


See, the "you may think" was in reference to what CT said, not my opinion. For someone so smart, you wouldn't think I'd have to explain that to you.

The business report from WVU was based on solid data and study, unlike your flawed opinion. Here is the data from the following years that supports the assertion from that report:
You already proved the census was made up nonsense. You did that and the matter is closed. Please show where the census benefited Morgantown. Your post did not show how it created jobs. The whole area is growing and you are claiming the census is helping. PROVE IT.

Now you dropped the subject of your opinion source as its flaws were pointed out. Unlike your sources i use real data.

This again proves my point that you are just a Huntington homer and are willing to believe nonsense about Huntington that makes it look good while ignoring real data that makes it look bad.
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Old 04-04-2013, 05:21 PM
 
Location: Huntington, WV
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You already proved the census was made up nonsense. You did that and the matter is closed. Please show where the census benefited Morgantown. Your post did not show how it created jobs. The whole area is growing and you are claiming the census is helping. PROVE IT.

Now you dropped the subject of your opinion source as its flaws were pointed out. Unlike your sources i use real data.
No, the census is a collection of data. Nothing made up about it.

The initial article was by someone with a PhD in business and economics talking about the expected benefit of MSA designation. The second source showed that the expected results happened. Pretty simple. Do you have a PhD after your name and know more than that guy?

Please show us this "real data" that you used.
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Old 04-04-2013, 05:26 PM
 
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No, the census is a collection of data. Nothing made up about it.

The initial article was by someone with a PhD in business and economics talking about the expected benefit of MSA designation. The second source showed that the expected results happened. Pretty simple. Do you have a PhD after your name and know more than that guy?

Please show us this "real data" that you used.
The designations are made up.

Their qualifications are useless if they don't have data to prove it. Having a PHD doesn't make someone right. I do have a degree in economics though.

You still have yet to show how the census benefits Morgantown or will benefit Huntington. An opinion piece is not proof. I ask you again for proof.

My data that these designations is your source where they admitted it was made up. You want to argue against YOUR own source? That is the only claim i need to prove.

For everything else the burdnen of proof is on you.
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Old 04-04-2013, 05:49 PM
 
Location: Huntington, WV
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Laws are "made up.". County lines are "made up." City limits are "made up." Nearly all data exists within a framework that is "made up" by limitations set forth through a committee of individuals. If that makes it unreliable then our entire society would collapse. Thankfully it doesn't make it unreliable, at least to those capable of critical thinking.

I've proven my assertions with links to back them up. All you've done is given us more of your own lies, rhetoric and "bovine feces." Do you have links to info other than your own opinion to refute the data and expectations from the economic reports authored by a reliable source, someone with a PhD in business and economics?

I've given proof, now it's up to you to refute it with facts and references to those facts. It's called point-counterpoint.

The editorial linked in the first page of this thread talks about how the new designation will likely benefit Huntington. That benefit is in the future though and I don't have a crystal ball to show you those benefits. That's why they call them projections or expectations.

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