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Old 06-14-2018, 08:38 PM
 
Location: Madison, Alabama
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We do Troy to Enterprise then to pcb via 167.
That's in lieu of going thru/around Dothan? I'll have to check that out. Thanks.
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Old 06-15-2018, 02:43 PM
 
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That's in lieu of going thru/around Dothan? I'll have to check that out. Thanks.
Yup. Drops into west side of pcb. There is very little though from Enterprise to bonifay FL on the road. The west side of Enterprise is faster than the east. And Al167 / FL 79 has construction from just north of pcb up to 10. They are making it 4 lane but it's taking forever. Still faster than Dothan. Just came that way in early May.
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Old 06-15-2018, 03:55 PM
 
Location: Dothan
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Yup. Drops into west side of pcb. There is very little though from Enterprise to bonifay FL on the road. The west side of Enterprise is faster than the east. And Al167 / FL 79 has construction from just north of pcb up to 10. They are making it 4 lane but it's taking forever. Still faster than Dothan. Just came that way in early May.

Dothan is just a pain due to the volume of transient traffic (vacationers and otherwise) and ignorant local drivers . Someone with the city once told me the population here doubles (69,000 +/- normally) during the day due to everyone from all of the outlying communities coming in for services, food and retail. It really shows, especially during the summer months. For a small place it's often aggravating as H-E-double hockey sticks to navigate. I've driven in cities over 1/4 million that were nowhere nears as frustrating.
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Old 06-16-2018, 08:39 AM
 
Location: Madison, AL
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But it makes it more difficult for those doing it the "right" way ... and also those from Governors who want to go north on the Parkway. Someone's drving in their entrance lane.
Work smarter not harder
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Old 06-16-2018, 10:35 AM
 
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Amazing how these threads get off topic. From questionable turns on Old Madison Pike/Slaughter Road to best routes to PCB.
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Old 06-16-2018, 02:20 PM
 
Location: Oregon Coast
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Yeah, I think it's technically illegal, especially the U-turn. I know it's illegal cut through a service station, for instance, in order to avoid a light.

Oddly enough, on the Parkway, you see people all the time coming on an entrance ram and get right back off, just to avoid a light ... that's not illegal but should be. Also, people will exit the Parkway going over Governor's, like they're going downtown on Clinton, then get right back on the Parkway. That's dangerous and should be illegal. Then entire Parkway/565 interchange area is a poorly designed nightmare though.
I looked at that intersection in Google Streetview, and I don't see anything illegal about that. Unless Alabama has some law restricting left turns across a double yellow line, I see nothing wrong with it. Turning around in a parking lot is generally considered a safe and legal way of making a U-Turn. There are no signs at the church parking lot saying that you can't turn there or enter the parking lot. For example there are No Turn and Do Not Enter signs at the apartment complex just before the intersection. Probably for the reason of keeping cars from driving through the apartment complex to avoid the light.

Anyway the traffic engineering on that street looks terrible. Why do they have two lanes of traffic one direction but only one lane and a turn lane going the other direction? It should be two lanes each direction, and if left turns are a problem, they should restrict left turns. They should be concentrating on moving more traffic along that street, so it doesn't back up at the intersection.
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Old 06-16-2018, 03:19 PM
 
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I looked at that intersection in Google Streetview, and I don't see anything illegal about that. Unless Alabama has some law restricting left turns across a double yellow line, I see nothing wrong with it. Turning around in a parking lot is generally considered a safe and legal way of making a U-Turn. There are no signs at the church parking lot saying that you can't turn there or enter the parking lot. For example there are No Turn and Do Not Enter signs at the apartment complex just before the intersection. Probably for the reason of keeping cars from driving through the apartment complex to avoid the light.

Anyway the traffic engineering on that street looks terrible. Why do they have two lanes of traffic one direction but only one lane and a turn lane going the other direction? It should be two lanes each direction, and if left turns are a problem, they should restrict left turns. They should be concentrating on moving more traffic along that street, so it doesn't back up at the intersection.
To my knowledge the apartment complex does not have an exit onto Slaughter so I'm not sure how there would be any advantage gained by turning into the complex. Using the church parking lot may not be technically illegal but when you witness it day after day it just feels wrong. Now if they went a little further up the road and used the Skyline Acres neighborhood to accomplish the same thing that would be different IMO.

There is a hill where the cars turn into the church parking lot so I don't really consider it a safe way to make a U-Turn. Also some days there are enough cars trying to make the turn into the lot that north bound traffic on Slaughter comes to a stop while they wait for south bound traffic to clear. Only a matter of time before there's an accident IMO.
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Old 06-16-2018, 03:40 PM
 
Location: Oregon Coast
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To my knowledge the apartment complex does not have an exit onto Slaughter so I'm not sure how there would be any advantage gained by turning into the complex. Using the church parking lot may not be technically illegal but when you witness it day after day it just feels wrong. Now if they went a little further up the road and used the Skyline Acres neighborhood to accomplish the same thing that would be different IMO.

There is a hill where the cars turn into the church parking lot so I don't really consider it a safe way to make a U-Turn. Also some days there are enough cars trying to make the turn into the lot that north bound traffic on Slaughter comes to a stop while they wait for south bound traffic to clear. Only a matter of time before there's an accident IMO.
Again unless there is some law against turning into the church parking lot, the drivers are doing nothing wrong. You could request the city to put a No Left Turn sign at the church, but I think your time would be better spent trying to get them to fix the traffic problems on Madison Pike, by adding another traffic lane to the west.
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Old 06-16-2018, 04:40 PM
 
Location: Madison, Alabama
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I looked at that intersection in Google Streetview, and I don't see anything illegal about that. Unless Alabama has some law restricting left turns across a double yellow line, I see nothing wrong with it. Turning around in a parking lot is generally considered a safe and legal way of making a U-Turn. There are no signs at the church parking lot saying that you can't turn there or enter the parking lot. For example there are No Turn and Do Not Enter signs at the apartment complex just before the intersection. Probably for the reason of keeping cars from driving through the apartment complex to avoid the light.

Anyway the traffic engineering on that street looks terrible. Why do they have two lanes of traffic one direction but only one lane and a turn lane going the other direction? It should be two lanes each direction, and if left turns are a problem, they should restrict left turns. They should be concentrating on moving more traffic along that street, so it doesn't back up at the intersection.
Well, you're just trying to rationalize bad driving habits. What if everybody did that? It'd be like driving in Rome.

I'm guessing you've never actually been to the intersection since you're looking at Google Streetview. What that doesn't show is that Slaughter Road (the N-S street), goes down, then back up after the light, effectively putting the intersection at the bottom of a bowl. Madison Pike (the other road) used to be two lanes all the way, but after about 20 years of "planning" and doing nothing, it finally was expanded to 4 or 5 lanes. There's a lot of traffic on those roads in the mornings and afternoons, but there's not much that can be done without extensive construction, and that's not going to happen any time soon.

If a policeman sees you making a maneuver around a traffic light and then making a U-turn to avoid the jam, convince him that it's not illegal.
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Old 06-16-2018, 05:45 PM
 
Location: Oregon Coast
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Well, you're just trying to rationalize bad driving habits. What if everybody did that? It'd be like driving in Rome.

I'm guessing you've never actually been to the intersection since you're looking at Google Streetview. What that doesn't show is that Slaughter Road (the N-S street), goes down, then back up after the light, effectively putting the intersection at the bottom of a bowl. Madison Pike (the other road) used to be two lanes all the way, but after about 20 years of "planning" and doing nothing, it finally was expanded to 4 or 5 lanes. There's a lot of traffic on those roads in the mornings and afternoons, but there's not much that can be done without extensive construction, and that's not going to happen any time soon.

If a policeman sees you making a maneuver around a traffic light and then making a U-turn to avoid the jam, convince him that it's not illegal.
How is a driver using a perfectly legal traffic maneuver to avoid a traffic jam a bad driving habit? I don't have to convince a cop of anything. He has to give me a ticket for a specific vehicle code violation. There is no violation for that.

Go ahead and blame the drivers if you like, but it looks like a traffic engineering problem to me. From the Streetview images it looks like they added a second eastbound traffic lane about 10 years ago, but they never added a corresponding westbound lane. Which left the street extremely unbalanced. If that is the best they can do after 20 years of planning, I would say their planning leaves a lot to be desired. The solution doesn't look that complicated. All they have to do is repaint the turn lane as a through traffic lane. Then they will have two lanes in each direction. I'm sure the loss of the turn lane would be an inconvenience to some motorist, but probably not as big an inconvenience as the traffic jams are now.
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