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Old 09-13-2018, 06:58 PM
 
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I believe the Braves own their AA affiliate.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mississippi_Braves
The Braves own the Gwinnett Stripers (AAA), Mississippi Braves (AA), Rome Braves (Low A) and Danville Braves (Rookie). They were one of the first, if not the first MLB team, that owned a majority of their minor league teams, going back decades.

In the last 5-10 years, you see a lot more MLB teams either owning some of their minor league teams outright or at least a part of the team.

AAA

Gwinnett, Owned by Braves
Memphis, Partly owned by Cardinals
Oklahoma City, Partly owned by Dodgers
Scranton/Wilkes-Barre, Partly owned by Yankees
Syracuse, Owned by Mets

AA

Corpus Christi, Owned by Astros
Mississippi, Owned by Braves
Reading, Partly owned by Phillies
Springfield, Owned by Cardinals

High A

Bradenton, Owned by Pirates
Buies Creek (moving to Fayetteville), Owned by Astros
Carolina, Owned by Brewers
Charlotte, Partly owned by Rays
Clearwater, Owned by Phillies
Dunedin, Owned by Blue Jays
Jupiter, Owned by Marlins
Kinston, Owned by Rangers
Lakeland, Owned by Tigers
Modesto, Majority owned by Mariners
Palm Beach, Owned by Cardinals
St. Lucie, Owned by Mets
Salem, Owned by Red Sox
San Jose, Partially owned by Giants
Tampa, Owned by Yankees
Winston-Salem, Partly owned by White Sox

Low A

Hickory, Owned by Rangers
Rome, Owned by Braves

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Old 09-13-2018, 09:27 PM
 
Location: Madison, Alabama
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The Braves own the Gwinnett Stripers (AAA), Mississippi Braves (AA), Rome Braves (Low A) and Danville Braves (Rookie). They were one of the first, if not the first MLB team, that owned a majority of their minor league teams, going back decades.

In the last 5-10 years, you see a lot more MLB teams either owning some of their minor league teams outright or at least a part of the team.

AAA

Gwinnett, Owned by Braves
Memphis, Partly owned by Cardinals
Oklahoma City, Partly owned by Dodgers
Scranton/Wilkes-Barre, Partly owned by Yankees
Syracuse, Owned by Mets

AA

Corpus Christi, Owned by Astros
Mississippi, Owned by Braves
Reading, Partly owned by Phillies
Springfield, Owned by Cardinals

High A

Bradenton, Owned by Pirates
Buies Creek (moving to Fayetteville), Owned by Astros
Carolina, Owned by Brewers
Charlotte, Partly owned by Rays
Clearwater, Owned by Phillies
Dunedin, Owned by Blue Jays
Jupiter, Owned by Marlins
Kinston, Owned by Rangers
Lakeland, Owned by Tigers
Modesto, Majority owned by Mariners
Palm Beach, Owned by Cardinals
St. Lucie, Owned by Mets
Salem, Owned by Red Sox
San Jose, Partially owned by Giants
Tampa, Owned by Yankees
Winston-Salem, Partly owned by White Sox

Low A

Hickory, Owned by Rangers
Rome, Owned by Braves
At least on the surface, it seems like a much more stable way to operate. The Stars never did really seem to be professionally run.
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Old 09-13-2018, 09:42 PM
 
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At least on the surface, it seems like a much more stable way to operate. The Stars never did really seem to be professionally run.
For most of those MiLB teams, owned wholly or partial by their MLB parent club, I think the MLB team is doing it to streamline things and have the minor league teams run "their way", I'm pretty sure they're not doing it to make huge amounts of money (profits) from operating a MiLB team, that might average 4,000-5,000 people a game!

I would say the MLB team would probably make the most profit when they cash out and sell the MiLB team or their share of the MiLB team.

You also see this in minor league hockey, especially at the AAA level with the AHL. If I had to guess, I think a majority of the 31 teams in that league are wholly owned by their parent NHL team.
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Old 09-17-2018, 04:36 PM
 
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The average attendance per game numbers for the Southern League are out for 2018:

5,751 Birmingham Barons
5,037 Jacksonville Jumbo Shrimp
4,668 Tennessee Smokies
4,348 Pensacola Blue Wahoos
3,408 Montgomery Biscuits
3,206 Chattanooga Lookouts
2,430 Biloxi Shuckers
2,259 Mississippi Braves
1,654 Jackson Generals
1,121 Mobile BayBears

4th season in and Biloxi, with 390,000 in their metroplex are pulling in 2,430 per game, I guess that honeymoon was over pretty quick!

One good silver lining, if you can call it that, is that the $36 million used to build MGM Park in Biloxi, was all from BP settlement money.

I would think the Trash Pandas should be in the top 4 in attendance average over the first 5 years or so and even longer.

It seems Jackson is going to be that odd team out and the one that eventually moves to New Orleans, when their AAA team moves to Wichita. it will be interesting to see what kind of numbers they can pull in for a AA team down there.
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Old 09-17-2018, 05:37 PM
 
Location: Madison, Alabama
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The average attendance per game numbers for the Southern League are out for 2018:

5,751 Birmingham Barons
5,037 Jacksonville Jumbo Shrimp
4,668 Tennessee Smokies
4,348 Pensacola Blue Wahoos
3,408 Montgomery Biscuits
3,206 Chattanooga Lookouts
2,430 Biloxi Shuckers
2,259 Mississippi Braves
1,654 Jackson Generals
1,121 Mobile BayBears

4th season in and Biloxi, with 390,000 in their metroplex are pulling in 2,430 per game, I guess that honeymoon was over pretty quick!

One good silver lining, if you can call it that, is that the $36 million used to build MGM Park in Biloxi, was all from BP settlement money.

I would think the Trash Pandas should be in the top 4 in attendance average over the first 5 years or so and even longer.

It seems Jackson is going to be that odd team out and the one that eventually moves to New Orleans, when their AAA team moves to Wichita. it will be interesting to see what kind of numbers they can pull in for a AA team down there.
If I remember correctly, the Jackson team was one of the ones rumored to move to Huntsville. I didn't even know they had a team until those rumors surfaced. Mobile "won" that one though. 1100 attendance just won't cut it. That's about what the Stars had in the years before their demise. Mississippi isn't doing all that well, considering it's a Braves team. Maybe they're just too far from Atlanta for that to matter.

Biloxi isn't too surprising. There are too many other things to do there, like the beaches and casinos. Plus, their population is stretched out laterally and traffic on Hwy 90 can be a pain. I-10, last time I was there, was pretty much out in the sticks and didn't help local traffic all that much.
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Old 09-17-2018, 05:58 PM
 
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If I remember correctly, the Jackson team was one of the ones rumored to move to Huntsville. I didn't even know they had a team until those rumors surfaced. Mobile "won" that one though. 1100 attendance just won't cut it. That's about what the Stars had in the years before their demise. Mississippi isn't doing all that well, considering it's a Braves team. Maybe they're just too far from Atlanta for that to matter.

Biloxi isn't too surprising. There are too many other things to do there, like the beaches and casinos. Plus, their population is stretched out laterally and traffic on Hwy 90 can be a pain. I-10, last time I was there, was pretty much out in the sticks and didn't help local traffic all that much.
True, that there's a lot to do on the Gulf Coast, but Pensacola seems to be do pretty well, after 6 years. I think 4,000/game at AA is respectable, anything above that is gravy, so to speak.

I knew about Jackson, because I'm a "MiLB nerd", but to me it seemed like that just wanted to try and keep the Memphis Chicks in TN, so they just moved them 85 miles away to Jackson as an expansion team. The Jackson, TN metroplex, is probably one of the smallest AA markets with ~130,000.

They were originally called the West Tennessee Diamond Jax, and ironically were the very first team Brandiose "branded" way back in 1998. Their stadium, while 20 years old, isn't that bad, and they were even the Cubs, AA affiliate for 9 years from 1998-2006. They won the SL title this year, as Arizona's AA team, I just think the market is just too small for AA.
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Old 09-18-2018, 09:13 PM
 
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True, that there's a lot to do on the Gulf Coast, but Pensacola seems to be do pretty well, after 6 years. I think 4,000/game at AA is respectable, anything above that is gravy, so to speak.

I knew about Jackson, because I'm a "MiLB nerd", but to me it seemed like that just wanted to try and keep the Memphis Chicks in TN, so they just moved them 85 miles away to Jackson as an expansion team. The Jackson, TN metroplex, is probably one of the smallest AA markets with ~130,000.

They were originally called the West Tennessee Diamond Jax, and ironically were the very first team Brandiose "branded" way back in 1998. Their stadium, while 20 years old, isn't that bad, and they were even the Cubs, AA affiliate for 9 years from 1998-2006. They won the SL title this year, as Arizona's AA team, I just think the market is just too small for AA.
You are my go to guy for MiLB info.

Good job. I can't give you any more rep, but thanks for the info.

So are you in H'ville?
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Old 09-18-2018, 09:21 PM
 
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You are my go to guy for MiLB info.

Good job. I can't give you any more rep, but thanks for the info.

So are you in H'ville?
No, Columbia, SC, but was born and raised in Scranton, PA, lived in Harrisburg, PA, Tucson, AZ (twice), Durham, NC, Hawaii (Big Island), Midway Atoll and Antarctica. I get around!
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