06-11-2008, 04:30 PM
Location: Rocket City, U.S.A.
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OK, this is getting complicated.
I'm looking at small kits to fit our lot without covering it...husband is pushing for a basic, quality 6'X8' model while I was looking at an 8'X12'...whatever - it'll be a hobby coldhouse. No plumbing, no power, no heat.
These smaller versions are not too terribly involved. Dig, grade, put down the base, level and snap the rest together...not building a house, more like a shed.
So, just to be on the safe side, I pull up the Huntsville zoning site and try to translate the ordinances to see if I need a building permit.
"Accessory Dwelling". That most often describes a building that one can reside in, meaning habitable shelter, but it isn't spelled out in the documents I was perusing...
It seems unclear, so I send an email.
No response.
I Google some more.
No luck.
I call the Inspectors office. I get a live person who informs me that YES, this will be considered an "accessory dwelling" and that I need a permit.
Grumble.
So I pull up the Residential Information and Application page...dude - I need either to be a surveyor or hire one just to fill this thing out, and I'm not that simple-minded...
so I'm wondering if I can use the documents provided during the sale of the house or if I actually need to get someone out here to to measure my lot...
Bah. Husband isn't going to like the additional expense.
I searched online to see if we had anyone locally (Madison County) selling and possibly assembling greenhouse/coldhouses, but came up empty. Figured it would be appropriate to let someone with more know-how handle legal requirements and placement...but I guess most folks follow the paper trail and build themselves from kits.
Trying to find a good, compact jungle gym/tree fort swing set, too...but one with a wooden roof, not a nylon tarp...I see them in Tennessee and down in Birmingham, but so far nothing closer. :(
Any advice? Been there/done that?
06-11-2008, 11:17 PM
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HSV likes permits, even for sheds (my experience), but it's like $15 for what you have in mind. The City uses a really cool GIS system; they'll pull up your satellite map for you when they process your permit (office on Fountain Row - old library). I suggest going down there; they'll accept a rough drawing of your plans if you're building it yourself. BTW, they also use the GIS to check for unpermitted structures...
I'm surprised that you haven't gotten a response from your email.
06-12-2008, 12:06 AM
Location: Las Flores, Orange County, CA
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Any advice? Been there/done that?
Any potential HOA or CC&R issues?
06-12-2008, 04:42 PM
Location: Rocket City, U.S.A.
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Charles
Any potential HOA or CC&R issues?
Charles -
No HOA in Oak Park, and I like it that way...the folks up in my area take care of their property well enough without one. And I'm making them all happy because this place has been 'neglected' for 15 years; overgrown and weedy...slow-going, but my pick-ax and shovel have made me welcome around here.
Anybody want some supposedly 'non-invasive' Bamboo? Oh boy...
What is CC&R?
One of the questions I wanted answered was - can I place this on the side of my house, toward the back, and not directly in the back yard behind the house? The perfect spot for sunlight and shade conditions, as well as winter wind block is right between my house and the neighbor, but we have an elevated bank between us (he's much higher - and friendly) so he wouldn't be looking right at it from his window. My lot has ample trees on that side as to not make this an eyesore...and we're buying a 'pretty-pretty' greenhouse, anyway...
I
suspect it'll have to go in the back near the second garage. But then that brings up another issue.
Reactionary - there was some weirdness mentioned when completing the final paperwork as we purchased the house...we being the fourth owners - I think.
There is a second garage/workshop that was built in the 80's, matches the house - a tinker's dream come true...there were no red flags about the building itself, shows on every document, but the attorney handling the transaction said, "Hmmn, looks like they built partially on the easement, I'll have to look in to that..." and then suggested it was probably 'grandfathered in' since it had been there almost as long as the house.
This was the only map that showed as being so.
He said he'd let us know if there was a problem...never heard anything.
I wonder if they pulled a permit for the woodland gazebo - that thing has been there forever, too. Unused for years, It's my potting shed.
If I didn't think I actually needed a greenhouse, I'd not chance the attention, but then again - wouldn't this have been addressed before now?
06-12-2008, 05:09 PM
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They mostly use the GIS for property tax (you pay more for improvements like your gazebo), it compares "old" pictures to "new" pictures.
IMO the City wouldn't come after you if you didn't get a permit for your new greenhouse (not that I would ever recommend such a dereliction
I can't imagine them coming after you for your existing workshop encroachment on the easement, especially since it's been so long and it sounds like the easement isn't used much. Permits weren't a big deal back in the day for outbuildings.
IIRC they have a setback rule for (your new) construction, like 4 or 5 feet from your property line.
You wouldn't believe how common it is for older neighborhoods to have easement problems and such. For example, when my little sister was looking at houses, we saw one where part of the detached garage had been built
on the neighbor's property - the house had been sold several times and each time all it took for the mortgage was a note from the City (of Smyrna) saying that everyone was aware of the situation. She didn't buy that house (but she wanted to). BTW, she used to live right down the street from you on Polk.
I went to a 'Lawn Care' class last night presented by the Extension Agent. He loathes bamboo; it is very invasive and can take years to kill. He loves Round-up.
Kill the bamboo! Round-up! Kill!
06-12-2008, 07:18 PM
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The simple solution for your greenhouse? Buy a utility trailer and construct the greenhouse on it. Then you can move it around the yard as needed to catch the sun or shade it. Since it isn't a structure on the ground, it falls outside of zoning and codes. If the city gets picky, take the greenhouse on vacation.
FWIW, Countryside or Grit has plans for a greenhouse about the size you want this month.
Harry, who has a big greenhouse that is very hot this time of year and cold during the winter. Permits? Permits?? We don' need no steenkin permits. We are the Federallies. We also live in an area that doesn't require them.
06-12-2008, 10:50 PM
Location: Rocket City, U.S.A.
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harry chickpea
The simple solution for your greenhouse? Buy a utility trailer and construct the greenhouse on it. Then you can move it around the yard as needed to catch the sun or shade it. Since it isn't a structure on the ground, it falls outside of zoning and codes. If the city gets picky, take the greenhouse on vacation.
FWIW, Countryside or Grit has plans for a greenhouse about the size you want this month.
Harry, who has a big greenhouse that is very hot this time of year and cold during the winter. Permits? Permits?? We don' need no steenkin permits. We are the Federallies. We also live in an area that doesn't require them.
That made me laugh out loud...was even worth TYPING that out. My neighbor on the other side would get a kick out of that - he has a large trailer for his motorcycles parked right next to the property line (2nd lot, still gotta homestead this stuff).
I'm kinda stuck as to where I can put the greenhouse - while I have half an acre, some is in front and much in back is wooded. I don't want to place it smack dab in the middle of the back yard because I have a sweet view of blissful nothingness...and the occasional fox or deer.
I'm clearing out the young multiples (Maples, much?) and clearly misguided plantings (was told Honeysuckle, but I remember that being a
vine - this evil thing is a shrub...anyway - prolific stuff that needs to GO AWAY.)
Reactionary
I know of GIS, they use that or something just like it, in FL, too...
This Bamboo...uhm, that was the second thing I mentioned with some irritation when I saw the back yard...the first was, "Is that Kudzu!? ACK!" (Not - is rampant English Ivy).
There IS a non-invasive bamboo (cough-cough) but that only means so much in the south...this is definitely controlled by winter, otherwise it would be everywhere instead of just sprawling sloppily in one section...but I can just picture the home-owner, however many years ago, planting this small thatch to compliment the long dead Koi pond (Oh yeah - remnants of that, too) without considering the long term...
I have my work cut out for me...and it ain't all gonna happen this year.
Got thirty Hosta on the way - get them in the ground in various locations to start framing the woodland gardens...keep digging up the PI...need to buy a composter and about $300.00 worth of mulch, $10.00 at a time.
Oh - I just found out last weekend what chiggers are, the hard way.
Ode to the pest:
These chiggers they bite as kin a mite, then to a gardeners woe tick become my foe.
Debriding skin, puzzled how they got in, damn little flea - stop EATING me!
I live on Benedryl and coffee.
06-18-2008, 04:34 PM
Location: Rocket City, U.S.A.
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Hey - I finally got a response to my email:
73.8 - Location of Accessory Structures on Residential Lots
Accessory structures in residential districts and on any lot used primarily for
residential purposes shall conform to the following regulations:
73.8.1 No accessory structure shall be erected in any required front or
side yard except underground fallout shelters provided for under
Section 73.2 hereof. Accessory structures shall not exceed two (2)
stories in height and shall not cover more than thirty percent
(30%) of any required rear yard and shall be at least five (5) feet
from all lot lines and ten (10) feet from any other structure on the
same lot.
73.8.2 On corner lots, detached residence accessory structures (except
underground fallout shelters) shall not be located closer to a street
than the minimum building line. (63-93)
As you noted, any structure must also be located outside of any easement on the property.
Your property is zoned Residence 1-A District and is also subject to a maximum lot coverage for all structures of 25%.
“Play-sets” that are not covered would not be considered structures and therefore not subject to the above regulations.
OK...so it's not going in the sweet spot...(more grumbling)
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Most Common Occupations - Healthcare support occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Protective service occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Fire fighting and prevention, and other protective service workers including supervisors (%)
Most Common Occupations - Law enforcement workers including supervisors (%)
Most Common Occupations - Food preparation and serving related occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Building and grounds cleaning and maintenance occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Personal care and service occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Sales and office occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Sales and related occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Office and administrative support occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Natural resources, construction, and maintenance occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Farming, fishing, and forestry occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Construction and extraction occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Installation, maintenance, and repair occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Production, transportation, and material moving occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Production occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Transportation occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Material moving occupations (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutionalized population (%)
People in Group quarters - Correctional institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Federal prisons and detention centers (%)
People in Group quarters - Halfway houses (%)
People in Group quarters - Local jails and other confinement facilities (including police lockups) (%)
People in Group quarters - Military disciplinary barracks (%)
People in Group quarters - State prisons (%)
People in Group quarters - Other types of correctional institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Nursing homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals/wards, hospices, and schools for the handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals/wards and hospices for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospices or homes for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Military hospitals or wards for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Other hospitals or wards for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals or wards for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Mental (Psychiatric) hospitals or wards (%)
People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the deaf (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the blind (%)
People in Group quarters - Orthopedic wards and institutions for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in general hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in military hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Juvenile institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Long-term care (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for abused, dependent, and neglected children (%)
People in Group quarters - Residential treatment centers for emotionally disturbed children (%)
People in Group quarters - Training schools for juvenile delinquents (%)
People in Group quarters - Short-term care, detention or diagnostic centers for delinquent children (%)
People in Group quarters - Type of juvenile institution unknown (%)
People in Group quarters - Noninstitutionalized population (%)
People in Group quarters - College dormitories (includes college quarters off campus) (%)
People in Group quarters - Military quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - On base (%)
People in Group quarters - Barracks, unaccompanied personnel housing (UPH), (Enlisted/Officer), ;and similar group living quarters for military personnel (%)
People in Group quarters - Transient quarters for temporary residents (%)
People in Group quarters - Military ships (%)
People in Group quarters - Group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes or halfway houses for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Other group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Religious group quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - Dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Agriculture workers' dormitories on farms (%)
People in Group quarters - Job Corps and vocational training facilities (%)
People in Group quarters - Other workers' dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Crews of maritime vessels (%)
People in Group quarters - Other nonhousehold living situations (%)
People in Group quarters - Other noninstitutional group quarters (%)
Residents speaking English at home (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)