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Old 06-04-2009, 08:00 AM
 
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Great topic. Along these lines, where can I get a projector for my old 8mm movies?
I bought one at a yard sale couple years ago, and it worked until the bulb blew, and we couldn't find a replacement bulb anywhere. It turns out they don't make them any more.

I'd like to project them onto the wall so that I can sequence them in some order that makes sense. None of the envelopes have dates on them (the processor didn't date them and, unfortunately, I didn't either).
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Old 06-04-2009, 09:05 AM
 
Location: Somewhere in northern Alabama
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Ebay should have plenty of used 8mm and super 8 projectors.

This thread points out another fact of life - investing in the newest popular technology is rarely a good long term strategy. Consider all the money spent on 8mm and super 8 cameras and projectors and film, and then the actual hours of useful info. For some people those old home movies cost ten dollars or more per minute, and more in adjusted dollars. I copied the family movies to VHS a few years back. Copying to DVDs would be another expense, and copying to blu-ray or whatever the latest and greatest is, would be yet another expense.

When I look back at the money I've spent on various cameras, projectors, 35mm equipment, darkroom supplies, camcorders, and the like, I cringe. Now I stay comfortably behind the curve, and pick up the discounted or second hand stuff for pennies on the dollar.
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Old 06-04-2009, 10:48 AM
 
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As far as I know, the local companies in this area simply videotape the image projected on a screen. There are far superior ways of doing it for the same or slightly more cost. It is much better to remove the screen from the equation and capture the image directly from the film or off a condenser lens. I currently own equipment that captures individual film frames digitally and assembles them into a digital video file on a PC. No flicker, partial images in a frame, or synch issues. The equipment also has an enlarged film gate that will capture all of the image on each frame. Almost all 8mm projectors end up masking the frame significantly.

I have plans to start a business transferring 8mm film to video, but that is a year or so off due to a home renovation and addition that is in progress. I would suggest that you Google "8mm telecine" and see what pops up. Costco's, and perhaps even Sam's and Wal-mart's, photo departments offer this service. It's farmed out to an outside company which I understand is typically YesVideo.com. They supposedly offer a good service for the price. YesVideo uses the same brand equipment I have, but without the frame to frame capture.

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Old 06-04-2009, 11:14 AM
 
Location: Athens, AL
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I (used to, don't know if it is still there) have my dad's projector. I got bulbs from Southerland's photo. If I still have it -- you can have it. How is that. Southward bound?
No guarentees if it still works, it was in storage. Some off brand he bought, probably at KMart a LONG time ago. Still, it worked to get our movies on to digital media.

I am sure there are much better ways than I used to capture these movies, but the truth is, the quality wasn't so great even from the start. My dad loved to edit & there were a lot of splices, too. Using the Sony software, I could edit out the bad spots and put them together in whatever order I wanted, too. The cost to do the high-quality media transferance wasn't worth it for me.
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Old 06-04-2009, 11:24 AM
 
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I am sure there are much better ways than I used to capture these movies, but the truth is, the quality wasn't so great even from the start.
The quality of a good, competent digital transfer might surprise you. Chances are, it will look better than even seen before when projected. Most home movie viewing environments aren't that great. Ambient light control, brightness of the projector, screen/projector quality can all affect how good the image looks. A good digital transfer will have proper focus, contrast, color control, and white balance. These are things that are difficult to control with a dark living room, a movie projector, and a pop up screen.
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Old 06-04-2009, 01:12 PM
 
Location: Somewhere in northern Alabama
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If you are doing this at home, the best screen - by far - is a sheet of flat coated ink-jet paper. The second trick is to have a small amount of controlled ambient light in the room. Most camcorders automatically set the black and white points and adjust gamma. by raising the level of the black, you get better detail in the dark areas and the white doesn't wash out as much.

murchmb is absolutely correct though. A frame by frame capture can allow for some sophisticated color timing tweaks and clean-up of scratches and other problems. Here is how someone did it for 16mm:

Flatbed Scanner Digital Telecine (FSDT) Project

Of course the real pros, like SabuCat and others do a lot more than this to films like "Lawrence of Arabia" and "My Fair Lady"
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