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Old 01-28-2010, 01:06 PM
 
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Sounds like good news for Florida

NASA will get $6 billion in Obama budget to help develop commercial rockets | Breaking News from The Huntsville Times - al.com

NASA will get $6 billion in Obama budget to help develop commercial rockets

By Lee Roop

January 28, 2010, 12:00PM

Eric Schultz / The Huntsville TimesAres I-X missile leaves a Florida launch pad during a test flight in October 2009HUNTSVILLE, AL - NASA will receive $6 billion in new funding over five years to extend the life of the International Space Station, create up to 1,700 new jobs in Florida and help the development of commercial rockets to transport astronauts, an administration official said today.
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Old 01-28-2010, 01:22 PM
 
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Sounds like good news for Florida

NASA will get $6 billion in Obama budget to help develop commercial rockets | Breaking News from The Huntsville Times - al.com

NASA will get $6 billion in Obama budget to help develop commercial rockets
Don't kid yourself

First there's no "commerce" in the rocket business. There is only one customer in this case, that is NASA. I think they call it "Olygopoly" or something like that in economic term. This is just going back to the previous procurement method, e.g., rather than having NASA do the design & building, outsourced to industry to do that instead.

Second, if this is being done by industry rather than NASA, it will hire FAR LESS engineers & technicians than if it is a NASA-run (inefficient) operation. Take for example, Space Shuttle requires over 2,000 people to support its launch & operation at KSC. If this is "outsourced" to industry, like Lockheed or Boeing's launch operation on Atlas and Delta, it will only requires less than 200 people at the launch site (being more efficient & effective - and not a "jobs" program).

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Old 01-28-2010, 01:43 PM
 
Location: Madison, AL
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No kid yourself
First there's no "commerce" in the rocket business. There is only one customer in this case, that is NASA. I think they call it "Olygopoly" or something like that in economic term. This is just going back to the previous procurement method, e.g., rather than having NASA do the design & building, outsourced to industry to do that instead.
It will be interesting to see if they get any measurable chunk of government money is awarded to the private company called Space X, who by the way, was a huge contributor to the Obama campaign.
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Old 01-28-2010, 01:47 PM
 
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Sounds like good news for Florida

NASA will get $6 billion in Obama budget to help develop commercial rockets | Breaking News from The Huntsville Times - al.com

NASA will get $6 billion in Obama budget to help develop commercial rockets

By Lee Roop

January 28, 2010, 12:00PM

Eric Schultz / The Huntsville TimesAres I-X missile leaves a Florida launch pad during a test flight in October 2009HUNTSVILLE, AL - NASA will receive $6 billion in new funding over five years to extend the life of the International Space Station, create up to 1,700 new jobs in Florida and help the development of commercial rockets to transport astronauts, an administration official said today.
Obama pretty much screwing Alabama. Mobile KC Tanker contract is on brakes but he wants to create jobs also many goverment contracts in Huntsville cut.
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Old 01-28-2010, 02:01 PM
 
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Obama pretty much screwing Alabama. Mobile KC Tanker contract is on brakes but he wants to create jobs also many goverment contracts in Huntsville cut.
But hey, he is at Tampa Florida today announcing a $2 Billion dollar "high speed train" project.

What he did not mention is where does this high speed train goes to. It turns out that it will go from the Tampa airport to Disney World in Orlando.

My questions are:

1) How important is it for tourists to get to Disney World quickly?

2) Why don't the tourist fly into Orlando airport instead of Tampa?

But obviously I am missing the "creating jobs" aspect...
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Old 01-28-2010, 02:23 PM
 
Location: Hampton Cove, Alabama
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Outsourcing manufacturing responsibilities to private sector will definately decrease the overhead and cost of space launches. I just don't know if the private sector can recover if something were to go terribly wrong with a launch. Also in 10-20 years we can just "OFFSHORE" the manufacturing and really save some money! Someone told me that is how our system works...
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Old 01-28-2010, 02:30 PM
 
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Also in 10-20 years we can just "OFFSHORE" the manufacturing and really save some money! Someone told me that is how our system works...
Charles, let's move back to San Diego and go south of border to start a "Tijuana Aerospace Company" to rip the benefit of "OFFSHORE" outsourcing of NASA work.
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Old 01-28-2010, 02:40 PM
 
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But hey, he is at Tampa Florida today announcing a $2 Billion dollar "high speed train" project.

What he did not mention is where does this high speed train goes to. It turns out that it will go from the Tampa airport to Disney World in Orlando.

My questions are:

1) How important is it for tourists to get to Disney World quickly?
Very- considering the existing 85-mile I4 is all they got now
Does this mean free tickets to Disney with the purchase of a train ticket? Or free train "shuttle" with a Disney ticket? Imagine the possibilities.
Can Hsv/Nashville have a light train hovering I65 to the Gulf? Now, that'd be "job creatin'"! By the way, gasoline is $2.55 creeping up steadily. We need that train, Mr.P!
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Old 01-28-2010, 02:44 PM
 
Location: Hampton Cove, AL
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But hey, he is at Tampa Florida today announcing a $2 Billion dollar "high speed train" project.

What he did not mention is where does this high speed train goes to. It turns out that it will go from the Tampa airport to Disney World in Orlando.

My questions are:

1) How important is it for tourists to get to Disney World quickly?

2) Why don't the tourist fly into Orlando airport instead of Tampa?

But obviously I am missing the "creating jobs" aspect...

Disneyworld, Space....I DEFINITELY see how the mouse would win that one

I think someone needs to put down the crack pipe, maybe those youthful indescretions might not only be in the past.
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Old 01-28-2010, 03:31 PM
 
Location: Rocket City, U.S.A.
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Well...I'll wait to see if Orlando is less fickle than West Palm Beach...or, in other words, if the project is legitimate.
We had approval for a high-speed rail/bullet train (and it would have actually made some sense) but the project took so long to get off the ground that years after it was voted in, the voters reneged...because construction hadn't even started yet.
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