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Old 11-02-2012, 10:36 AM
 
Location: Denver, CO
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Wow, this is embarrassing for Hyundai/KIA. It's going to cost them, too.

US Environmental Protection Agency audit finds inflated gas mileage in Hyundai, Kia models - The Washington Post

Hyundai's web site: Hyundai Fuel Economy | MPG Information


My '12 Sonata 2.0T didn't make the list. Bummer, I wouldn't mind some free money. No complaints about my MPG.
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Old 11-02-2012, 10:41 AM
 
Location: SF Bay Area
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Embarrassing for sure. I think BMW got hit with something similar earlier in the year.
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Old 11-02-2012, 11:05 AM
 
Location: NY
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Oops

It doesn't encourage me to go out and shop them! Caught lying about one thing makes me wonder what else they are lying about.
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Old 11-02-2012, 11:45 AM
 
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I knew it. It was only a matter of time before it came out, but I'm sure Hyundai / Kia never thought they would get caught.

That little "asterisk" campaign sure looks silly now. This will cost them sales and reputation.
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Old 11-02-2012, 12:00 PM
 
Location: SF Bay Area
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1-2 mpg difference for the majority of models isn't a big deal. I think they will do just fine.
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Old 11-02-2012, 12:07 PM
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Honda went through the same thing, but not from the EPA, not initially anyway. I doubt this will hurt them much. They had a similar situation with HP before and other manufacturers have gone through the same things and it never becomes a big deal.
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Old 11-02-2012, 12:20 PM
 
Location: Clear Lake, Houston TX
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1-2 mpg difference for the majority of models isn't a big deal. I think they will do just fine.
If you keep your cars for 200,000 miles, a 1 mpg difference translates into a $1,600 difference over that mileage. Assuming 22 vs 23 mpg and $3.50/gallon. The better the mileage the less it affects.
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Old 11-02-2012, 12:36 PM
 
Location: New Market, MD
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Actually I don't even understand how EPA calculates MPG and how reliable they are. Maybe they are for other models butt his is for 2008 camry hybrid from edmunds website

"The EPA has revised the way it calculates fuel economy to better reflect real-world driving, and that has resulted in a significant lowering in the Camry Hybrid's mpg ratings. At 33 mpg city and 34 mpg highway, the Hybrid can no longer boast last year's unrealistic 40/38 mpg rating, but its fuel economy is still incredibly impressive for a vehicle of its size and performance."

Now I have camry hybrid 2007 and my wife owns a 2008 and both give us over 40MPG and both are fully loaded and options are ON all the time.
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Old 11-02-2012, 12:46 PM
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It would be nearly imposable for an individual to prove that a 1-2 MPG difference is not a driving style issue. Even with the EPA rating changing nobody is going to think of it that way. They are just going to compare it to the competition and weigh it in with the vehicles other features and characteristics.
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Old 11-02-2012, 12:46 PM
 
Location: San Antonio, TX USA
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If you keep your cars for 200,000 miles, a 1 mpg difference translates into a $1,600 difference over that mileage. Assuming 22 vs 23 mpg and $3.50/gallon. The better the mileage the less it affects.
In order to get to 200,000 miles at the average of 15,000 miles a year, it would take you 13.3333 years. Thats $120 a year or $10 a month. Thats not a big deal
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