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Old 01-11-2017, 06:09 PM
 
Location: Old Mother Idaho
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As i understand it, a new high school to replace I.F. High is only one of 3 options that are to be studied.
The other is a major expansion of either Idaho Falls or Skyline, or adding a 3rd new high school without renovation to the 2 existing schools.

If I.F. High is chosen to be replaced by a newer and larger high school, I expect it will still be used as a school, very much like the original bonneville High. It became a Jr. High, I believe. The old Central High School served similarly for many years after the present I.F. H.S. replaced it.

I.F.H.S. could possibly become a facility for a new Jr. College; there is nothing to say that a college campus has have one single campus, and EITC's campus would have big difficulty enlarging at its present location. Using the high school would be a very tax-friendly way to getting a Jr. College established and going that would not need a major bond passage.

Much will depend on growth projections, I'm sure, and other factors such as projected student growth, which may be different than general population growth alone. More adults are attending ISU as part-time and off campus students now than kids straight out of high school.

Future needs for adult training and advanced degrees may be greater than the need for more high school space in the near future.
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Old 01-11-2017, 10:05 PM
 
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It sounds like they opted out of renovating IFHS due to excessive costs. What I don't understand though is that the renovation for Skyline was almost as much. They can't exactly ask voters for money for two new schools, why not renovate both? I very much like the idea of higher education.

In other news, as we all expected, the local real estate market had its best year ever in 2016. Home sales were up 17 percent over a very good 2015. Median prices were up almost 10 percent. If this isn't convincing for potential new businesses and retail, I don't know what is. I would expect a very busy 2017.
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Old 01-12-2017, 12:23 PM
 
Location: Old Mother Idaho
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It sounds like they opted out of renovating IFHS due to excessive costs. What I don't understand though is that the renovation for Skyline was almost as much. They can't exactly ask voters for money for two new schools, why not renovate both? I very much like the idea of higher education.

In other news, as we all expected, the local real estate market had its best year ever in 2016. Home sales were up 17 percent over a very good 2015. Median prices were up almost 10 percent. If this isn't convincing for potential new businesses and retail, I don't know what is. I would expect a very busy 2017.
The older brick & mortar construction of IFHS makes it expensive and difficult to renovate. Skyline is essentially steel frame construction with a brick facade overlay. Easier to change, and less expensive.

In both, I expect either school's overhaul would be expensive. Brand new schools are now planned as modular systems that can be easily modified to suit changing needs. Long time permanence is not the prime consideration any more.

In some ways, the modern schools are like the very first ones- the old 1-room schools weren't intended to last forever when they were first built. The folks who built them expected they would be outgrown over time.

The new philosophy now is to make a new school safe, but much more easily modified and/or cheaper to remodel if the need arises. The same philosophy applies to new Court Houses, jails, and other civic architecture.

O.E. Bell Jr. High provided Idaho Falls a good example of the costs of demolishing an obsolete school. It was built so solidly that the costs of demolition far exceeded the worth of the land underneath it.
The lot it rests on was on the edge of town when the very first high school was built on it in the late 1800's, and the old high school was used as an extension building to the Jr. High for decades, but it was a fire trap, and was eventually demolished.

O.E. Bell's location became obsolete much faster than the building itself. The city could do nothing to improve access to the school, and that inability to respond adequately in case of a deep crisis at the school played a large part in the decision to abandon it. Most of the second generation of our schools suffered from the same problem. They are now all gone, except for O.E. Bell.

East Side, North Side, West Side, Central. All were encompassed by residential streets that restricted access as time went along. They were all wood-framed, and all became fire traps. O.E. Bell was built of reinforced concrete for fire prevention as an over-response to the fear of fire, at a time when there were very few school busses and most kids still walked to school in a town that was much smaller.

Fire suppression is now much better, and future access has become the most important consideration of all.

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Old 01-15-2017, 03:56 PM
 
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I'm sad to see Target Ammon remodeling and adding a Starbucks. The store definitely needs it, but that pretty much eliminates the chance of them building a SuperTarget anytime soon. Also, after Walmart adds the fuel station, they are building a new covered drive thru onto the store where online grocery orders can be picked up.
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Old 01-15-2017, 10:08 PM
 
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Billings, MT supports two targets. Not sure if either is a supercenter. But yes, if they did build a second east Idaho store, it would probably be in Pocatello. Also, the remodel as opposed to a new super Target would make less competition for a Costco, especially if either were build on the westside. We very much do need another Starbucks on the east side/Ammon. I hoped they would be a tenant in the new building Big Dog Satellite is doing.
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Old 01-16-2017, 06:48 AM
 
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Unfortunately it will be another non Drive-Thru Starbucks like Fred Myers and Barnes & Noble (right across the street) i'm guessing. They need a stand alone location in Ammon and with every in house location that becomes less likely.
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Old 01-17-2017, 09:27 PM
 
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I read some awaited info about ISU's planned polytechnic institute for Idaho Falls. Several graduate level programs will be offered. It will be more of a destination type school than it has in the past. Instead of students getting generals out of the way then transferring to Pocatello for upper division classes, they will be able to earn degrees here in IF. This polytechnic institute fits right in with the community college effort. Also they say should enrollment take off, they will build more facilities in coming years.

It sounds like the lab's director, Mark Peters made his pitch to the state on funding the cybersecurity buildings. I think at least one of the two proposed buildings can be used by students.

I like how the three things I mention in this post are different but related. It's making the development landscape increasingly more interesting.
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Old 01-22-2017, 06:30 PM
 
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I'll dedicate this find to MSR.

A huge strip mall to be developed on West Broadway across the street from Papa Murphy's. Information I've gained is that Pizza Hut will is the first tenant. Fairly certain that means the ol' hut is coming down. I'll see what else I can dig up.
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Old 01-22-2017, 08:06 PM
 
Location: Washington State desert
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I'll dedicate this find to MSR.

A huge strip mall to be developed on West Broadway across the street from Papa Murphy's. Information I've gained is that Pizza Hut will is the first tenant. Fairly certain that means the ol' hut is coming down. I'll see what else I can dig up.
Does IF need new strip malls? Maybe they do, especially in the ignored West Broadway neighborhood. I would like to see more residential/commercial centers built with an urban footprint. These do exist in IF, and some have been hits, some have been misses. SRL is a good blueprint, but seems slow to develop, obviously slowed by the recession. I hope on my next trip to IF I will see some more urban development.
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Old 01-22-2017, 10:38 PM
 
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Interesting. I was looking at that property just the other day thinking how it may take a long time to develop based on its size. It makes more sense if pizza Hut is demolishing. Is the common cents going away as well? They did aquire the former Flying J giving them two locations on the same street less than a mile apart. Plus the former Circle K further down (now a beer and tobacco store) is going to be going back to being a gas station.

Pnwguy2, the newly completed railway crossing across from Walmart is already half occupied. Don't sleep on the Westside these days. A lot is happening
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