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Old 01-07-2014, 02:36 AM
 
Location: Old Mother Idaho
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That's a killer good list!
I think some of us could sure add to it, though. The Stateman just scratched the surface.
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Old 01-07-2014, 10:24 AM
 
Location: Spirit Lake. No more CA!!!!
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Yup, that's a very interesting list. Thanks for the link.
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Old 01-10-2014, 02:34 PM
 
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info released last month.


New report shows Oregon economy is tops this fall: Oregon & the Economy | OregonLive.com


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The jobs growth shows in the Oregon index. It was up 2 percent this fall, the biggest rise of any state. Idaho and South Carolina tied for the No. 2 slot, with 1.8 percent gains
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Old 01-23-2014, 10:25 AM
 
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Wolves in 'The Church' | Boise Weekly visits Salmon, Idaho, where wolves are public enemy No. 1 | News | Boise Weekly

Wolves in 'The Church'
Boise Weekly visits Salmon, Idaho, where wolves are public enemy No. 1


http://www.boiseweekly.com/imager/b/...DaveLingle.jpg
The Lemhi County city of Salmon has an approximate population of 3,100. Nearby, sits the 2.3 million acres of rugged, boundless backyard that is the Frank Church-River of No Return Wilderness.
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Old 01-23-2014, 10:52 AM
 
Location: Spirit Lake. No more CA!!!!
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Wolves in 'The Church' | Boise Weekly visits Salmon, Idaho, where wolves are public enemy No. 1 | News | Boise Weekly

Wolves in 'The Church'
Boise Weekly visits Salmon, Idaho, where wolves are public enemy No. 1


http://www.boiseweekly.com/imager/b/...DaveLingle.jpg
The Lemhi County city of Salmon has an approximate population of 3,100. Nearby, sits the 2.3 million acres of rugged, boundless backyard that is the Frank Church-River of No Return Wilderness.
Wow, didn't know wolves were having such an impact on elk numbers. Are there that many wolves out there?
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Old 01-24-2014, 01:03 PM
 
Location: Old Mother Idaho
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Wow, didn't know wolves were having such an impact on elk numbers. Are there that many wolves out there?
I may not have the current figures, but the last estimate I recall was about 600 wolves. The original introduction number was, as I recall, 95. There are higher claims of 900 wolves, and lower of 450 that I've read. I suspect both are more rumor than fact.

It's very hard to say just how many are actually there. Some packs move around a lot, including into Montana and Wyoming, and others don't. One collared lone wolf rambled from Idaho to Wyoming, to Utah, to Colorado, to California, to Oregon and then vanished. He may still be around, or dead, or off exploring other western states now.

Back at re-introduction, there weren't any accurate elk counts done when the native wolves were still here in their natural numbers. Everyone knew the herds must be much larger now than then, but there was no baseline as to estimate how much the herds would be decreased when the wolves came.

In the meantime, both elk and elk hunters had grown lazy. The elk became incautious, so they were easier prey to hunt, and the hunter grew accustomed to most often finding elk on the first few days of a hunt. The only variable was the weather; during warmer seasons, the elk stayed high up in the mountains, and in cold seasons, they moved down to valleys where they were easier to hunt.

Now, the elk are harder to find, warier, and move around a lot more. Not all the herd decreases are due to the wolves- Montana elk and deer have been afflicted with a wasting disease, and those elk essentially starve to death in good range. This disease may or may not have entered the Idaho-Wyoming herds. The wolves may be spreading it around through carrion eating or not. The disease is too recent to have created patterns that are understood.

In Yellowstone, the heart of the elk herds, brand new data shows the wolves are now hunting more buffalo. Elk are their preferred prey, so this is another surprise factor that is not yet fully understood. It's possible the grizzlies, which are now hunting more than before and are not denning as much, may be the real hunters. Or it could be the other way around. Both wolves and bears drive each other off kills, and both prefer carrion if available.

One big change that has come from the Yellowstone wolves is the recovery of riparian habitat. Before re-introduction, all the rivers and creeks in the park had no willows or young aspens crowding the stream banks, which is the natural condition. The elk, buffalo and deer stripped all the trees, bushes and willows off over 80 years when there were no wolves.
Now, the willows are thick again, and the elk have relearned that they provide shelter from predation. The elk have also re-learned running into the middle of a stream is an effective way to avoid becoming wolf lunch. The elk may not be decreasing so much as just becoming wilier and harder to hunt.

Some wolf packs have fallen due to the parvovirus. They pick it up through contact with domestic dogs, and while the dogs may have been vaccinated, the wolves aren't. Parvo is endemic here, and comes in cycles. A parvo epidemic could wipe out some of the large packs in less than a month.

Or not. The biologists still don't have enough predictive data. They are still learning a lot about everything.

The Frank is a mighty hard place to collect data. It is completely wild, and it's all vertical- up one side and down the other. it is essentially roadless, and so heavily timbered that lost aircraft are still often lost forever in it. There are only a couple of airstrips in 2 million acres.

The pioneers didn't call the Salmon the River of No Return for no good reason. Once you are in the Middle Fork of the Salmon, the only way out is down at the other end, hundreds of miles away. Running the Middle Fork of the Salmon whitewater is the equivalent of climbing Mt. Everest for the whitewater rafters.

Here's a map:
File:FCRONR Wildernes Map.jpg - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

As you can see from the map, wolves can easily travel in all directions from the Frank. It is surrounded by 6 national forests. Those forests all border others. This is one reason the Frank was chosen for re-introduction.

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Old 01-24-2014, 06:59 PM
 
Location: Spirit Lake. No more CA!!!!
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Hi Banjo. What you wrote makes a lot of sense. It would be hard to get accurate counts of anything in a place that wild.

I read somewhere that the reason it was called the "River of No Return" was back in the day the boats could go down the river but with no engines, they couldn't go back upstream. Is that accurate?

And thanks again for all the great info.
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Old 01-25-2014, 12:16 PM
 
Location: Old Mother Idaho
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Hi Banjo. What you wrote makes a lot of sense. It would be hard to get accurate counts of anything in a place that wild.

I read somewhere that the reason it was called the "River of No Return" was back in the day the boats could go down the river but with no engines, they couldn't go back upstream. Is that accurate?

And thanks again for all the great info.
Yup. Once in, there is no way to fight the current by oar. No way by a conventional outboard engine, either- the river loves to eat propellers for lunch. The only way upstream is by jet boat, and those boats are used on the Salmon.

While other rivers are deeper and some have larger rapids, the Middle Fork is famous because it's all white water rapids from one end to the other. The calm spots in the river are few and far between.

I have several friends who are whitewater rafters. I once took a river trip down the Grand Canyon, and that was enough for me! Whitewater rafting is the most dangerous thrill sport there is. According to my buddies, the Middle Fork is like the Grand Canyon's worst day ever and twice as much of it.
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Old 01-25-2014, 01:47 PM
 
Location: Wayward Pines,ID
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Last week, Washington state announced that it would now recognize reciprocity with Idaho’s enhanced concealed carry weapons (CCW) license. This reciprocity agreement marks a major milestone for Idaho enhanced CCW license holders. With the addition of Washington, thirty states now honor Idaho CCW or enhanced CCW licenses(NRA-ILA).
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Old 01-25-2014, 07:02 PM
 
Location: North Eastern, WA
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Last week, Washington state announced that it would now recognize reciprocity with Idaho’s enhanced concealed carry weapons (CCW) license. This reciprocity agreement marks a major milestone for Idaho enhanced CCW license holders. With the addition of Washington, thirty states now honor Idaho CCW or enhanced CCW licenses(NRA-ILA).

Excellent, now if they can get Oregon to recognize it as well that would make things much easier fora great number of people. Of course the real answer is the FEDs need to fall in line and recognize our Constitutional right as they should so that CCW permits become a non-issue.
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