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Old 01-04-2012, 11:47 PM
 
Location: Sandpoint, ID
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According to what the scientists that specialize in the physiology, anatomy, and behavior of the wolf tell us, there are very, very few dogs that would win a one on one fight with a prime male North American wolf. By prime, this would mean a healthy male between 4 and 8 years of age weighing between 100-120 pounds, and rarely, as much as 130. A big, tough breed such as a Rottie, Dobey, Staffy/Pit Bull, GS, etc. would not have a chance. Stepping up to the gladiatorial breeds such as a Kangel, Tosa Inu, Dogo Argentina, Boerboel, or other mastiff offshoots would increase the dogs chances, but even with these breeds it would take an exceptional dog to come out on top. A wolf has certain physical advantages over a dog, such a jaw size, tooth size and structure, bite force, limb length and grappling ability, and other things that scientists like to study and publish. Most important though is the fact that it would be like an amateur going up against a pro. Wolves lead extremely violent lives from the day they they are born, and must kill in order to survive. Besides the perils of the hunt and everyday life, they often engage in vicious pack vs. pack fights in which fatalities are common. If I lived in wolf country and had a big, nasty dog, the last thing I would want to see would be him getting in a fight with a wolf, for fear that I would lose my pet.
Well I'm far from an expert in that regard. Thanks for providing further information on the subject.
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Old 01-05-2012, 08:37 AM
 
Location: Orange County, CA
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A further note about wolves that may be of slight interest and a source of amusement for residents of the Northern Rocky states, is that California, of all places, now has a wild wolf for the first time since 1924. About a week ago, a 2 1/2 lone male, dubbed OR-7, wandered into Siskiyou County from Oregon. Caused a bit of a media event, with coverage on TV, the newspapers, and dozens of links on the Web. Most in California are thrilled about the wolf in their state, except, as expected, some ranchers have already expressed concern and hostility about the possibility of more wolves following and forming a pack. There is a recent active thread on the California forum about OR-7.
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Old 01-13-2012, 12:09 PM
 
Location: Jewel Lake (Sagle) Idaho
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Latest wolf news...

Dogs attacked by wolf pack - ShoshoneNewsPress.com: Local/State News

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WALLACE — Domestic dogs were attacked by four wolves around 6 p.m. Wednesday night on the 600 block of Burke Road, just outside of Wallace.
One dog died and another sustained a facial bite, said Shoshone County Sheriff Mitch Alexander, and there were many wolf tracks in the area.


Idaho Fish and Game notified residents in the area and informed them that it is legal to shoot the wolf pack.
Mullan resident Barry Sadler didn’t just have his dogs attacked by wolves a few years ago — they chased his daughter into the front door and came right up on his porch.
“They just can't coexist with people,” he said. “It's impossible ... as long as they run wild, they'll continue to kill everything until there's nothing left.”
Sadler shot and killed one of the offending wolves. His wife, who was inside at the time watching out the window, said that while he was lying on his stomach shooting, one was watching him from about 25 feet away.
He said wolves just chew animals up a lot of the time without eating them, and called them “treacherous and filthy.” The percentage of what they kill versus what they eat is less than 10 percent, Sadler said.
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Old 01-13-2012, 04:30 PM
 
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Dogs attacked by wolf pack - ShoshoneNewsPress.com: Local/State News

Mullan resident Barry Sadler didn’t just have his dogs attacked by wolves a few years ago — they chased his daughter into the front door and came right up on his porch.


Read more: Idaho Wolf Season Pics
At some point, someone's son or daughter is going to be killed. Just drug off and shredded to ribbons. It's going to take that. Then things will change.

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Old 01-13-2012, 04:51 PM
 
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According to what the scientists that specialize in the physiology, anatomy, and behavior of the wolf tell us, there are very, very few dogs that would win a one on one fight with a prime male North American wolf. By prime, this would mean a healthy male between 4 and 8 years of age weighing between 100-120 pounds, and rarely, as much as 130. A big, tough breed such as a Rottie, Dobey, Staffy/Pit Bull, GS, etc. would not have a chance. Stepping up to the gladiatorial breeds such as a Kangel, Tosa Inu, Dogo Argentina, Boerboel, or other mastiff offshoots would increase the dogs chances, but even with these breeds it would take an exceptional dog to come out on top. A wolf has certain physical advantages over a dog, such a jaw size, tooth size and structure, bite force, limb length and grappling ability, and other things that scientists like to study and publish. Most important though is the fact that it would be like an amateur going up against a pro.
It's a gruesome description at times, but if you find it interesting, Teddy Roosevelt details packs of dogs that were used to hunt wolves in the western plains. He described packs of greyhounds being used. It's either in Hunting Trips of a Ranchman or The Wilderness Hunter (I believe it's the latter; my copy includes both). Roosevelt is a great writer, and I find his keen eye for the flora and fauna of the West to be pretty impressive, particularly given his relatively short period of time living on his ranch. It's hard to believe he was a president who hailed from and returned to New York City.
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Old 01-13-2012, 05:47 PM
 
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From the reporter who wrote the article via Twitter:

"The wolf plot thickens ... IDFG says it wasn't wolves -- maybe aggressive dogs or REALLY aggressive coyotes. Fooled Shoshone County!

https://twitter.com/#!/KelseySaintz/...93636242161664
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Old 01-14-2012, 01:39 PM
 
Location: Orange County, CA
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It's a gruesome description at times, but if you find it interesting, Teddy Roosevelt details packs of dogs that were used to hunt wolves in the western plains. He described packs of greyhounds being used. .
It has been many years since last reading Roosevelt but found the following excerpt quite interesting. Very long, but his observations made more than a century ago appear modern and not badly out of date. If able to find the paragraph, his remarks about dogs vs. wolves pretty much agree that dogs are simply overmatched. He mentions that he knew of only one dog that could best a wolf. Interesting are his remarks about subspecies of wolves, as to size and behavior of wolves in various locales. This debate still rages on today.
www.fullbooks.com/Hunting-the-Grisly-and-Other-Sketches3.html
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Old 01-17-2012, 11:57 AM
 
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Default Idaho wildlife official clears wolves in dog death

Idaho wildlife official clears wolves in dog death - Spokesman.com - Jan. 17, 2012

WALLACE A state wildlife official says an investigation has failed to find clear evidence that a dog died in an attack by wolves last week in northern Idaho.
Idaho Fish and Game official Josh Stanley says he could find no evidence of wolf tracks in the snow where the domestic dog was killed Wednesday about a mile north of Wallace. Another dog suffered wounds to the face in the skirmish.
Stanley told the Shoshone News Press he tracked a 100-yard radius around the home where the attack took place and found tracks more closely resembling dogs or coyotes.
After the attack, local authorities placed blame on four wolves.
Idaho rules allow citizens to shoot wolves only if they have a hunting tag or to protect domestic animals and livestock.
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