California people (environment, equity, hoa)

[kukla1]

Oh settle down! I was responding to a DIFFERENT stereotype earlier in the thread. Your tree-hugging children would be welcome in my backyard, and you would too. Come on, now.

[KarLee]

StampinTami,
We moved here 2 years ago, from your town in Calif. We are 3rd generation Californians, but our children married Idaho folks, and here we are, retired near our kids. It is a very nice move. Life is good. It is what you make it. That goes for any city, any state, and any neighborhood. We are members of what seems to be that "religion" that everyone talks about. It is also what you make of it. I doubt you will find one negative thing here, except the dumbos who rag on Californians...they were dumb before Californians came, and so it goes. I will say, when Idaho has no jobs to offer, which they didn't a few years ago...they are quick to hop on down to Calif. to find a job. No one even cares where you are from when you get to Calif. That would be the only change I would like to see...don't ask where people are from, and you won't be irritated!!
I guess if it mattered so much to the Idaho folks to keep others out, they would have bought up all the farms that are subdivided, and kept us out!

[Torrie]

Wow, such conversation! I'm originally from California. Lived their for 24 years before I moved on to Oregon, Washington and then Idaho. When I finally graduated from college in 94' I couldn't wait to get out of there. I think what it came to for me is too many people, too high real estate and the desire for a better quality of life. I wanted to have a family and didn't feel safe there. I got so tired of everything having to be politically correct because you might offend this race or that religion or that persons political view. California is definitely the melting pot and then some. With so many different nationalities, everyone wants their ways to be in the forefront. The easiest way I can explain it is how many states do you know have the driver's license test in 50 different languages? Last time I checked English was the Universal language and in the United States of America English is thelanguage. But because everything has to be politically correct; wouldn't want to offend anyone....it over complicates everything.

If everyone just followed the Golden Rule it wouldn't matter where you are from, what religion you are or who you are politically affiliated with. I think most people want to be at peace and I think that is one of the reasons why so many Californias are moving out of the area. They want to have a better quality of life.

People have the right to move wherever they want to, and everyone no matter where you live needs to respect that. Unfortunately what people forget is to have freedom you have to give up freedom. Embracing our differences is probably the hardest thing to do, but if you want people to respect your views, you have to be able to respect theirs and that is when the Golden Rule comes into play. Just because I don't believe in someone else's religon or political affiliation doesn't give me the right to disregard that person. As long as that person is a law abbiding citizen I will respect who he is. It shouldn't matter where you're from, that's what makes people interesting. Thank gosh we're not all from the same place, now that would be boring!

[JDUB]

Originally Posted by mark6052

times have changed, but is it really for the better? but thats another thread.people moving in overcrowding changes things alright. all im asking is please folks dont keep saying "thats the way it is in calif." asif we should change because of that. and i have heard that alot! the usual response is "go back then". you all have a right to move in anywhere, if your life-style or thinking is that much diff than mine i have a right to not accept it an ignore you. thats the way it is. yes its a twoway street.

if you want a prime example of californication take a look at western Washington. Why does everyone say you dont have near the crime rate of California, as if thats supposed make it ok for the rising crime rate in other parts of the country. I have lived my whole life in Wa. and yes i am getting out!! So yes i am going to Idaho, not to change it but to just be able to live in realitive peace.

[Anchorless]

Originally Posted by JDUB

if you want a prime example of californication take a look at western Washington. Why does everyone say you dont have near the crime rate of California, as if thats supposed make it ok for the rising crime rate in other parts of the country. I have lived my whole life in Wa. and yes i am getting out!! So yes i am going to Idaho, not to change it but to just be able to live in realitive peace.

Some of my best friends have moved to Bellingham for school, and it's a sad things to see what is happening in Whatcom County.

Same thing happening in Idaho, though. You might be able to hide from it for a decade or so if you're far enough from a major city or resort area.

[dldavis]

I happen to agree with those that said they hate or are disheartened with Californias. I know I am one. What happens is most of the Californias at least here in the LA and the OC are all democrates, you have allowed all the illlegal emmigrants here, they pay no taxes, use our schools and medical care and are forcing out the blue collar worker. Plus the rich ones who are feed up with the traffic and politics etc. then go to places like Colorado, Idaho and Montana and buy up all the land. Yes all of it. Your cracker box house sold for 750k as an average then you go to these beautiful places buy or build ranches and drive up the prices there where there is not alot of high paying jobs. So now I cant live in California and now you are making it so I cant live anywhere else. Californias stay put!!!!! Dont drive up the local economies of other places where minage wage is the prevailing wage.

Thank you - I am not one of these. I make 50k a year, single mom, educated yet I am forced to live in an apartment and deal with all the liberal politics. As soon as we get a democrate in the presidency, California will truly be a welfare state.

[gizmo980]

Originally Posted by idahomama

]The"consevative" vs "liberal " labels just make me sick. Would our liberal Idaho family not be an asset to any neighborhood? God forbid our tree-hugging children might be mauling on some of your plantings. Maybe they might even steal your mail, oh no, wait, that is the conservative LDS. Please, keep your stereotypes elsewhere and stay out of Idaho.

Amen to that! There are good liberals and bad liberals, good conservatives & bad ones - just like any other group of people. Not to mention, we don't all fit into some neat little packaged stereotype or political/social label... there are people on all sides of the fence, and even in the middle here. But even if somebody is a die-hard tree-hugging liberal (which you could call me, LOL), does that mean they don't have morals?? Puhleeease... I have better morals and values than plenty of conservatives and liberals alike, I'm sure. But of course, "morals" is a totally subjective term, so that's a moot point anyway - since what I consider to be good values might differ from another person's view, and that's fine with me! Unlike some people here, I judge a fellow human being on their overall character, and not where they stand on every political issue.

Sorry to butt in on the discussion, but some of us Californians do get sick of the bashing & stereotyping... how would you like it if I did that about Idahoans, saying you're all neo-Nazis? After all, I've heard your state has a large community of them up north, so obviously you're all racist! (and no, I don't really believe that, especially since I have friends from Idaho ) Anyway, it would be nice if you guys could stop with this, and maybe even welcome the "ex-pats" who decide to live in your beautiful state. Like it or not, we're still Americans, and have the right to seek greener pastures if we choose.

P.S. I was actually born in Maryland, and have also lived in Oregon & Pennsylvania, so I've only been in CA for about half of my life... like somebody else said, just because our "last stop" was California, that doesn't mean we're native to this state!

P.P.S. This all goes for the Californians too, who are bashing liberalism and this state... learn to get along with your neighbors, regardless of their political views and national origin, and maybe you'd enjoy your time here a bit more. And don't worry, Idahoans, I have no plans to move from CA!

[gizmo980]

Originally Posted by Torrie

Wow, such conversation! I'm originally from California. Lived their for 24 years before I moved on to Oregon, Washington and then Idaho. When I finally graduated from college in 94' I couldn't wait to get out of there. I think what it came to for me is too many people, too high real estate and the desire for a better quality of life. I wanted to have a family and didn't feel safe there. I got so tired of everything having to be politically correct because you might offend this race or that religion or that persons political view. California is definitely the melting pot and then some. With so many different nationalities, everyone wants their ways to be in the forefront. The easiest way I can explain it is how many states do you know have the driver's license test in 50 different languages? Last time I checked English was the Universal language and in the United States of America English is thelanguage. But because everything has to be politically correct; wouldn't want to offend anyone....it over complicates everything.

If everyone just followed the Golden Rule it wouldn't matter where you are from, what religion you are or who you are politically affiliated with. I think most people want to be at peace and I think that is one of the reasons why so many Californias are moving out of the area. They want to have a better quality of life.

You know, I like what you say in the second paragraph... but doesn't your first one kind of cancel it out?? You say it shouldn't matter who/what you are, but then you're doing the same thing as the people you supposedly don't like - blaming California's problems on people with different views, and who (GOD FORBID) might speak a different language originally. This whole country is made up of immigrants, and in fact, English is not our "official" language. If you don't believe me, take a look: United States -- Encyclopaedia Britannica
Not to mention, how many other countries in the world have multiple common languages? Anyway, I just think you need to show some understanding & tolerance, if you want to complain about others not showing those qualities. Golden rule, right??

[Torrie]

Originally Posted by gizmo980

You know, I like what you say in the second paragraph... but doesn't your first one kind of cancel it out?? You say it shouldn't matter who/what you are, but then you're doing the same thing as the people you supposedly don't like - blaming California's problems on people with different views, and who (GOD FORBID) might speak a different language originally. This whole country is made up of immigrants, and in fact, English is not our "official" language. If you don't believe me, take a look: United States -- Encyclopaedia Britannica
Not to mention, how many other countries in the world have multiple common languages? Anyway, I just think you need to show some understanding & tolerance, if you want to complain about others not showing those qualities. Golden rule, right??

I think I'm very tolerant; but when I can't get into a school (in CA)because someone who was standing in line in front of me that couldn't speak English and wasn't even a US citizen, yet had priority over me getting into a class, well I just found that to be a little frustrating. That was thanks to Prop 13 which I believe is no longer, but not living there for so long I could be incorrect. I spent many years there following the golden rule, but unfortunately many others don't and that is what I was referring to. You can only take it for so long and you get tired of turning the other cheek. I was never mean to anyone or violated anyones rights. So to say I'm not being tolerant, what are you basing that on?

[Sage of Sagle]

Gizmo....there are a LOT of wholly charitable people who don't find our country being "enriched" by the immigration issues going on right now.

I think way too many times, people throw the "T" word around when it's not merited. It's not intolerant to believe that Idaho is a great place to live because it is socially and politically very different from states like California. It's not intolerant to desire to live in an area which is culturally similar to one's own. It's not intolerant to desire that in the same way that my grandparents had to learn English when they got off the boat at Ellis Island to find gainful employment and make a life for themselves that others should also do so. And it's not intolerant to desire that people with more libertarian (live and let live) views continue to seek out residence in Idaho while those who like cradle-to-grave big government regulations perhaps choose to live elsewhere.