California people (living, price, legal)

[stevetogo]

At the risk of sounding like an economist (which I'm not), we have greater problems to worry about than which of the States have the most residents moving to Idaho. It seems to me that the process of growth has slowed to a standstill for much of the country. The housing market is in a major slowdown to complete bust in some areas. The ability to sell your house on a whim and move to another State is a freedom that we are in the process of losing (if it's not gone already). We need the Californians and others that were moving to Idaho to feed the growth.

California's market has dropped so the rich are not selling their homes and buying the homes of those here that would like to sell. The residential construction industry, architects, engineers have slowed down, are not hiring and have laid off people. Realtors are selling less. Title companies, home improvement workers... everybody suffers. People are facing impending bankruptcy. So then, people shop less, eat out less often, spend less. Local businesses lose patrons and close up the shops.

In effect, we no longer have a growing, thriving, vibrant community. Instead it becomes bleak and dismal.

For me, I hope that California does well so that they continue to buy here and feed the economic beast.

Quite a fear of change around here. I always remembered the quote I heard as a kid that "there is nothing permanent except change". You can't fear change. Instead guide it and manage it.

[ejay]

First and formost this is not about people from california or any other state. Its really about a state of mind. People don't worry about the debt that they get into. They just buy on a whim and end up with buyers remorse or lose money because there house was over inflated. About two years ago everybody was up here flipping houses and apartments, condos whatever they could buy cheap! Unfortunatly for the guys that were at the end of all this flipping are getting screwed! They bought too high!! Rent here has sky rocketed after this frenzy of buying. Now I personally work in this housing industry for over twenty five years. I build custom cabinets and furniture and have seen first hand what greed has done. These big developments have killed me personally! I cannot sell a job to them they want cheap modular cabinets. The contractors that I did most of my work for were from cali and since the lattest influx they too have felt the pinch and decided to stop building. They have been priced out of the market lots here have jumped almost two hundred percent. Places out in the country have gone crazy with what they want for acerage, don't mind the fact that some places here have a hard time finding water.

The locals knew all this that is why most people lived close to town. Plus snow plows don't run out in the rural areas as quickly as you would like them too. What I don't understand is why everyone gets so pissed that they are treated poorly here. You moved here you are a guest here but you don't act like it. You expect everyone to cater to your needs and wants. Do you ever stop to think that maybe the guy who was local or not local likes this place. I have lots of friends from cali that are upset that the cda area is turning into a metro area now. This small town cda life for a lot of us is gone now. The population here has doubled and is now experiencing a culture change. I get crap now for owning guns dirt bikes old cars that i am restoring in my garage the list goes on. The population here is being replaced it's that simple. It will take time but I am sure that you will find that in ten years most of this area will be very crowded just like roseville and grass valley ca are now. Moving here is a status thing now you can buy your own private idaho now. And drive your H2 or other suv around town in style and laugh at the trailer trash.

I get it it's just like high school if your not in the click your out. I feel no remorse I do honest buisness I give my customer 110 percent no matter where they are from. I don't mind people coming here and living here. But cali is a world away from this place when you live there everyone is from another place. Cali was the shining beacon for a long time it's sad to see such a wonderfull state go to crap. I don't blame anyone for getting outta there. And really it's not there fault they dont fit in. Living there or anywhere that is different from here takes some adjustment. But what I see here is a divided community one that wants to keep with the life we have enjoyed and one who does not understand why we like our town the way it is. Now A lot of us have tried to controll the growth but the city wants the growth and money. So when the residents dont go along they just do what they want anyways.

Many buisness in down town cda have closed because some one bought the building they were in and doubled the rent on them, not understanding the local economy the buildings now sit vacant. This place needs roads desperately traffic is becoming an issue now. People are putting there heads in the sand and it's not working for anyone. Every one wanted to make a buck off of this place and a few people did. What ever happened to buying a house and living there for thirty years? The houses are being treated like they are an investment instead of a place to live. I have many customers that have informed me that they are here for now and as soon as housing goes up they are outta here. They saw this place as a short term investment. This is a cultural thing make no mistake about it. I love cali I loved all the things that made cali great weather scuba diving fishing hunting dirt bike riding it seemed like there was room for everyone there. What happened? If we follow in the steps of cali we may be doomed. Lots of people are leaving the city life for rural life. The problem is the life style people want to have here is not what they left. And with enough people moving here corprate buisness has come here too. And that has put a cramp in the local buisness.

The question I want anyone who reads this is, to think about what small part you play in the whole picture. Do you look down at others because they choose to live like a red neck hick going hunting and fishing and driving an old truck or car. Are you being accepting of others life styles not just your own? I see a lot of people complaining about the slow pace. Dont worry give it time the slow pace will be replaced with traffic jams waiting hours to just drive home. This is a small place very small if you came from Sac or any other big city. Give it time treat other people the way you want to be treated. Make friends not enimies say hi to the guy who lives accross the street. Know your neighbors and make this place a place you want to live in it's up to you. We all moved here for different reasons. We all need to live and let live. Respect the fact that people were here before you. Go outta your way to understand build some friendships with people in your community. I know Idaho has changed I am not complaining about that I think it needs to change. But i remember the old bumper sticker I saw up here "this town is too small to have so many [MOD CUT]" Are you one?....

[stevetogo]

Ejay,
Well I believe that some of what you said supported the point of my post.

The contractors that you did most of your work for, from California, are feeling the pinch and have stopped building. So now you don't have enough work and are leaving. All the other minor complaints you have might be soothed if the work was still there.

I don't believe most people buy homes on a whim and don't worry about debt. Some may, but probably a small percentage. I'm sure nobody purposely buys too high. We all buy at the market rate and shoot for the best deal. And if the market rate is high, it usually signifies that the area is desirable. That of course is true about anything. If the majority finds a commodity desirable, then prices go up. When the economic train screeches to a halt, you can find plenty of cheap deals again from the foreclosure lists.

I'm not sure why you don't understand why people get pissed if they are treated poorly in the city you live in. They are not guests there unless they are visiting and leaving. Nobody wants to be treated poorly.

We are blessed that we do not have feudalism here in this country, unlike the beliefs of some who live in small towns. Things are always changing and we don't have to get permission from the duke. It's not your watering hole or hill unless you have the deed. Now if one does have the deed to the pond and they like to throw the spare parts from the old truck into it or store the remnants of the deer or elk in the water then I would say that others have the right and duty to complain, whether they are from California, Maine or Idaho.

But more realistically, growth is necessary and can be good. Some people have some pretty good ideas that can improve things for everybody. If you need a stop sign or traffic light to prevent one person from dying... why not?

[pimit2]

I'm not a recent relocator to Idaho, but I did move here a number of years ago from another state. Suffice it to say that I now consider myself an Idahoan.

It just happens that I have met three recent California transplant families since the first of the year. They're not so bad. In fact, I like them all quite a bit.

The first family has two young girls (8 and 11), and a boy of 16. I was able to have real conversations with the kids. They are personable and outgoing, with good heads on their shoulders. A real treat. The 16-year-old, a bit of a computer geek, helped me solve a problem I've had with my computer system for quite a while. He came over to my place and it took him a few minutesn to fix it! The Mom and Dad are wonderful folks with a great sense of humor and compassion. Incidentally, they are all happy to be out of California and living in Idaho. They all love it!

The seond family is real new to Idaho. They moved here in October and are still trying to figure everything out. They bought a small home for too much money, but they are happy with their decision. They have only one child of 4 years. They both have found jobs they are happy with and the next door neighbor lady takes care of the child while the young couple is at work....for $25 bucks a week! They are tickled with the arrangement. Great young couple carving out a new life in Idaho.

The last couple is a retired duo. They are not quite as old as me, but I'll let them catch up. He will become a new fishing buddy, I am sure. He ties flies, like I do, and is an avid fly fisherman. They had me over for dinner and I felt at home. We talked - as old people do - about bygone days, the music from our era, old radio and television shows, old friends, and on and on until after midnight! We had a great time.

Bottom line? Not an ogre in the bunch. Californians are coming. They ain't that bad.


pimit2 (Bob)

[Sandpointian]

Thanks for the great post, ejay. Should be read by all.

[ejay]

Thanks Sandpointian . I apperciate the nice words. Just for the record I have absolutly NO PROBLEM WITH CALIFORNIANS!! I have spent 8yrs in grass valley ca when my parents left cda to move there when I was a teenager. i came back home I had had enough with the california lifestyle and wanted to come home to idaho. Now I see that lifestyle coming here and it scares me but I cant or wont try to stop it I cant. I am preparing for my departure from here it will take awhile to move but it is going to happen.

[TAGLICIOUS]

Originally Posted by ejay

Thanks Sandpointian . I apperciate the nice words. Just for the record I have absolutly NO PROBLEM WITH CALIFORNIANS!! I have spent 8yrs in grass valley ca when my parents left cda to move there when I was a teenager. i came back home I had had enough with the california lifestyle and wanted to come home to idaho. Now I see that lifestyle coming here and it scares me but I cant or wont try to stop it I cant. I am preparing for my departure from here it will take awhile to move but it is going to happen.

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to ejay again.

[TAGLICIOUS]

The post with the most. I am very adamant on making sure that I am NOT a follower but a leader when it comes to such posts. I am however in agreement with EJAY. I will keep my eyes on this post, and gaurantee that when I am in public, and never shy with my public rantings and ravings, I will share my opinion openly with those that are abound in questions as to why we do not have the home town feel in our "SMALL" cd'a area... Thanks for your time "EJAY", I look forward to Talking to you and visiting your posts again.

[ejay]

Stevetogo I think you really need to read my post again i was not negative about anyone or anything. "The contractors that I did most of my work for were from cali and since the lattest influx they too have felt the pinch and decided to stop building. They have been priced out of the market lots here have jumped almost two hundred percent. Places out in the country have gone crazy with what they want for acerage, don't mind the fact that some places here have a hard time finding water. " Everybody made a living here before unconcrolled growth made the real estate market crash! And aparently I must be right because citibank is in trouble along with bank of america countrywide and who knows how many people will be out of a home we will have to wait and see.

I also said this "This is a small place very small if you came from Sac or any other big city. Give it time treat other people the way you want to be treated. Make friends not enimies say hi to the guy who lives accross the street. Know your neighbors and make this place a place you want to live in it's up to you. We all moved here for different reasons. We all need to live and let live. Respect the fact that people were here before you. Go outta your way to understand build some friendships with people in your community. I know Idaho has changed I am not complaining about that I think it needs to change."

I am referring to north Idaho not boisie. And I really don't understand why they are upset no one runs to kiss there butt when they move here. Just like my last neighbors that moved in. Me and my other neighbors rode our dirtbikes on our property and had no problems. Now a new guy moves in next door and starts calling the cops on us. And tells me I have no right to ride on my land and starts a war with me and the other neighbors. How's that for fitting in? How come I am the bad guy I was just doing what we have done for 15 yrs now I can't ride. And before I moved anytime I started my bike up they were right there watching my every move. I dont understand your point. If people coming here can just stop what we have been doing for years do we really live in our town anymore? Or is it now there town and I need to shut up?

You said this"We are blessed that we do not have feudalism here in this country, unlike the beliefs of some who live in small towns. Things are always changing and we don't have to get permission from the duke. It's not your watering hole or hill unless you have the deed. Now if one does have the deed to the pond and they like to throw the spare parts from the old truck into it or store the remnants of the deer or elk in the water then I would say that others have the right and duty to complain, whether they are from California, Maine or Idaho."

So i take it that you are not for private property rights. I don't ***** when people put horses in there pastures or loud goats or mules. I'ts there property they can do as they please. But when you don't like what your neighbor is doing you turn them in and stop them. Same reason we treat people like crap your gonna come here and take over. Your post made absolutly no sense to me...

You also went this direction for some reason"But more realistically, growth is necessary and can be good. Some people have some pretty good ideas that can improve things for everybody. If you need a stop sign or traffic light to prevent one person from dying... why not?


I said "I know Idaho has changed I am not complaining about that I think it needs to change." Where was I complaining about growth? Growth is not the problem it's the attitudes of the people who are making the growth happen that are the problem. And so far you are acting just like one of them... And just so ya know my wife is a collection agent who is now trying to collect on thousands of homes that are being fore closed on. And you would not believe how many suv's have been turned back in to the banks. Greed hurts everyone I am against greed. All I want is for everyone to be able to get ther fair share without hurting others. Or changing how other people live. It's a two way street... Live and Let live, or don't move into the neighborhood it's that simple!!

[stevetogo]

There are 22 pages of posts her about "California People". It sounded to me like the majority of people here have a problem with Californians.

They are unable to move to a neighborhood and be friendly without immediately changing their license plates and never discuss they are from California.

How was your new neighbor able to have the police stop you from riding your dirt bike on your property? Is it illegal or against the ordinances to do that? Even if some activities have been done for years doesn't mean that it is acceptable to do so. Does your neighbor work at home or nights and sleeps in the day?

Private property rights are good and along with the rights should be responsible and considerate behavior. Some may feel that they have the right to enjoy a quiet nap or stroll in their backyard without disturbance by motorcycles, loud music etc.

No doubt, greed is part of the growth problem and so is attitude. But it's also the attitudes of those that are against growth and change. Those that think that everything should stay the same as it's always been. Yes. I am one of those that wants growth. I want the economy to pick up and thrive again.