California people (Boise, Post Falls, Hayden: taxes, living in, cost of)

[Niners fan]

Originally Posted by Anchorless

And once that's in place we can get to addressing our current property tax system, and maybe bring in a little Prop 13 relief for existing (and longtime) homeowners.

I never thought I would see the day with Anchorless was suggesting bringing a touch of California to Idaho!

I agree. I hope Idaho adopts a Prop 13 style property tax relief.

I am still digesting the thought of taxing vacation homes. I understand where you are coming from. The libertarian in me is opposed to it on principle. Who knows what the right thing would be...?

[Anchorless]

Originally Posted by Niners fan

I never thought I would see the day with Anchorless was suggesting bringing a touch of California to Idaho!

I agree. I hope Idaho adopts a Prop 13 style property tax relief.

I am still digesting the thought of taxing vacation homes. I understand where you are coming from. The libertarian in me is opposed to it on principle. Who knows what the right thing would be...?

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My hope for Prop 13 comes with some strict caveats, however. I certainly wouldn't want it unless we acknowledged the different use and type of the properties being taxed, and in a way that would be favorable for long time owners and/or those planning on being long time owners.

Tax the living hell out of secondary homes, vacation homes, out of state land owners, and the whole gang. If they want to "buy Idaho" to make a buck make them really pay for it. We as a state are not for sale. Why the hell should we kotow to them?

[marleeps]

I was born in CA,lived all over the US and moved to ID from CA in 2001- we love it - but the Californians that are investing here want to make it just like there - crowd the houses together, rape the hillsides, build too tall buildings, block the lake views, more roads, more people, higher prices and taxes going up every year to support the influx - stay in CA if you don't want to live rural, quiet, peaceful lives with great neighbors and wildlife eating every CA thing you plant. ID is heaven - it does not need anything CA has to offer.

[AlleyTD]

Originally Posted by marleeps

I was born in CA,lived all over the US and moved to ID from CA in 2001- we love it - but the Californians that are investing here want to make it just like there - crowd the houses together, rape the hillsides, build too tall buildings, block the lake views, more roads, more people, higher prices and taxes going up every year to support the influx - stay in CA if you don't want to live rural, quiet, peaceful lives with great neighbors and wildlife eating every CA thing you plant. ID is heaven - it does not need anything CA has to offer.

This is so NOT true. It's just a gross generalization like many others on CD continue to make. Stop lumping together people from a region as "one type"

It's just plain wrong.

I'm orginally from CA, I am a Realtor, too. I have absolutely NO interest in raping hillsides, blah, blah, blah.
I just wanted a nice - already built house in a nice neighborhood - similar to the one I grew up in. Believe it or not, where I grew up in Los Angeles (Pasadena), I lived on a culdesac street where no one locked their front door We knew all of our neighbors and all of us kids played together.

We played red, light green light in the street ... We also played hide and seek and everyone hide in each others yards ... nobody cared. We liked each other and looked for each other. We weren't on drugs, nobody shot each other ... there were no bars on our window. Jeez o' peets people. Nice people can and do exist in CA ... there are even nice (not rich neighborhoods)

For the record, If you look at many of the HUGE ostentatiously overbuilt houses on the hillside here in Boise, you will learn that many of them are owned by Idaho Natives who have done well for themselves. As a matter of fact, one of the biggest homes currently being built is a local boy who made his fortune with TANNING stores he opened here and then expanded into AZ ... so don't make blanked statements about it being just outsiders who change the face and the landscape here ... It's just not true. Below is just one story and there are others like it.

Boise natives say 12,000-square-foot home will be a haven for family | Idaho Real Estate

I say we all need to worry about our own behavior instead of constantly pointing fingers at our neighbors ... claiming "it's all THEIR fault" We are all in this together. Everyone has the power to vote in this country. Attend city meetings, write letters, run for office. If you don't like something. Do something. Don't just whine.

Sorry ... I'm venting again.
Alley <----- jumping off my soap box now

[California Carl]

That sounds a lot like the neighborhood in Southern California where I used to live. Thousand Oaks. It was and still is a nice area, just 10 times as many people as when I grew up! (most of them from other states or countries)
Alley, try breathing slow and deep then count to ten next time someone asses you up. It helps me! The population in the US is growing people! Either stop having too many kids, or get used to it!
From what I've seen so far, you are about 20-30 years behind what we delt with back in California (not meant in a bad way) and I doubt if it will ever get that bad, but there are way more people! What do you anti-growth people suggest we do to quell that? Limit families to two children? Turn the elderly into crackers? I don't know, you tell me...

[Cali4life80]

Originally Posted by marleeps

I was born in CA,lived all over the US and moved to ID from CA in 2001- we love it - but the Californians that are investing here want to make it just like there - crowd the houses together, rape the hillsides, build too tall buildings, block the lake views, more roads, more people, higher prices and taxes going up every year to support the influx - stay in CA if you don't want to live rural, quiet, peaceful lives with great neighbors and wildlife eating every CA thing you plant. ID is heaven - it does not need anything CA has to offer.

Well you don't have to worry about this Californian 'raping the hillsides' (whatever that means), because I never stayed in Idaho long enough or even had the motivation to change your 'precious' Idaho land. I wouldn't even invest my money in Idaho land. And since we're on the subject of anti-growth, could it be possible that its not just Californians who are building houses and crowding your land, but maybe the huge Mormon families who need bigger houses to support their herd of children???

So Californians want to build 'tall buildings'? Thats funny, because I don't see any tall buildings here. All I see is the same repetitive, boring, scenery hours out in any direction. So there is A LOT of land to spare. Californians are going to be coming into your state whether you like it or not. [MOD CUT: Keep it civil]

[Asthedeer]

Originally Posted by Cali4life80

So Californians want to build 'tall buildings'? Thats funny, because I don't see any tall buildings here.

I assume they were referring to downtown Coeur d' Alene. The newly built tall buildings look a bit absurd lol. They are realizing they can't expand out here anymore so they have to go up.

[mrschilicook]

Wow...for some reason took a look at this thread...some interesting belief's..

I was born and raised in California and when I was young, rarely did I run into anyone who could say the same. They were from Oklahoma, Texas, Kansas, Nebraska, Oregon, Illinois, etc...People who were "escaping" something in their home states looking for that pot of gold which was a home, a job, etc.

As I got older, I ran into more native Californians, but also many many people who had come to the state for job opportunities. The state has an economy that is as large as many European countries! As a result, the cost of living in California has ALWAYS been higher than many other states...New York (our country's financial hub) also 'enjoys" that same issue...lots of jobs, but expensive to live there. Same for Boston, D.C., ..and I'm sure other large coastal cities.

During our marriage we have lived in several states...none of them were hostile to Californians, but some had strange ideas about anyone coming from California (remember..these are the same "Californians" who originated in OK, NEB, TX, etc..).
All of a sudden we were liberals, kooks, etc. I actually had a history professor at a college in St. Louis that TOLD the class that Cali's were all weirdo's.. Yes, California does have a lot of progressive thinking people and it's share of kooks but so does NYC, Miami, etc.. I can assure you that not everyone is a liberal, a kook, or in any way weird.

As we neared the end of our working lifes, we moved to Las Vegas where many other Cali's have moved (mostly from SoCal)...along with a HUGE number of people from Chicago, NY, Mich, etc...all were escaping something...high cost of living, snow, etc. Or moving TO something (jobs, lifestyle, etc.) So the buyers AND sellers drove up the cost of housing (remember that ol' suppy/demand curve?) along with increased cost of production (remember fuel costs impact everything).

Now we live near Branson MO..and yes, cost of living in CA did sort of push us to move elsewhere..but we run into people from Chicago, Cali, AZ, OK, TX, out here too. So it's not just Cali's who are searching for something else, it seems to be people from everywhere. So..if your going to blame Cali's you need to also blame anyone who moves out of the state in which they were born. And let's face it..we all want something better in life no matter what the station or circumstance.

Sorry for the soapbox, but the whole idea of these being anything new to any state is sort of weird.

[CosmicWizard]

mrschilicook wrote:

So..if your going to blame Cali's you need to also blame anyone who moves out of the state in which they were born.

I'll take it even further....blaming anyone is a useless endeavor, which changes absolutely nothing. Rather than looking for someone to blame, let's change what we're able to change and gracefully accept the rest of it.

[Asthedeer]

Folks, honestly I see what you are saying but unless you have lived here for a substantial amount of time and seen how the area has changed you would'nt understand. I will gracefully leave instead of gracefully accepting it.