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Old 01-30-2011, 10:37 AM
 
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You know they were eliminated back in the old days for a reason. They are one bad animal and will continue to be a thorn in rural inhabitants lives unless they are kept in check. And hunting is the most economically feasible way to do it.
And yet, here I am...in a very rural area with multiple wolf sightings on the state's wolf map (and packs nearby) raising livestock and they've not been a thorn in our sides at all. And I've seen and heard wolves myself from our home.
I have no real problem with controlling the numbers if they become too numerous but this fairy tale notion of the "big bad wolf" being an inherently evil animal is just ridiculous.


Here's a picture of the "decimated" elk herds around here (taken yesterday a mile from my home) Amazing. Nary a torn or bleeding carcass among them.:

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Old 01-30-2011, 11:10 AM
 
Location: Denver
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And yet, here I am...in a very rural area with multiple wolf sightings on the state's wolf map (and packs nearby) raising livestock and they've not been a thorn in our sides at all. And I've seen and heard wolves myself from our home.
I have no real problem with controlling the numbers if they become too numerous but this fairy tale notion of the "big bad wolf" being an inherently evil animal is just ridiculous.


Here's a picture of the "decimated" elk herds around here (taken yesterday a mile from my home) Amazing. Nary a torn or bleeding carcass among them.:
Here are some torn and bleeding carcasses for you:

Wolf kill Images and Stock Photos. 30 wolf kill photography and royalty free pictures available to download from over 100 stock photo companies.
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Old 01-30-2011, 11:13 AM
 
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Here's a picture of a young grizzly on my property several years ago. It was spring and we had lambs on the ground. He just moved on through with no problems at all. Grizzlies have killed far more people than wolves have. Shall we exterminate them too?
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Old 01-30-2011, 01:16 PM
 
Location: naples, idaho
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bears and wolves are completely different. you can't make that argument. wolves along with bad winters have decimated elk herds throughout the rockies. they are also starting to take a toll on the moose. the state has done away with moose hunting units north of the kootinie river do to wolves. if you have wolves around your home like you say, what are they eating? if you don't think that they are having an influence on game animals you would be wrong.
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Old 01-30-2011, 01:54 PM
 
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Can anybody write without pushing an agenda? That picture makes it look like elk are just barely hanging in there. No elk in the entirety of the Colorado front range? C'mon. I'd say that elk are doing fine....in an area about twice as large as that depicted.

I am opposed to introducing wolves almost anywhere by the way.

There are numerous ranges that mirror the one I posted with localized differences from such"biased" sources as the Pueblo Zoo



The government of Manitoba

And the Smithsonian Institute of Natural History

Of course, the whole point wasn't the present range but the historical range when someone actually posted that the elk wasn't native to Idaho.
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Old 01-30-2011, 04:18 PM
 
Location: The Woods
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Not to nitpick, but the historical range of elk was even larger than shown on those maps. For instance there were elk in the Northeast including Vermont, originally. Elk are a very adaptable animal with a wide range. Definately native to Idaho of course...
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Old 01-30-2011, 06:30 PM
 
Location: Denver
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Elk are doing marvelous compared to the buffalo which was mercilessly slaughtered to the edge of extinction....thus forcing the Indians unto reservations.

I am surprised that buffalo farming is not encouraged. Buffalo meat is healthier and buffalo are more efficient than cattle. But then we are talking government.....
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Old 01-30-2011, 06:45 PM
 
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I'm not sure if this story has been posted yet, wolves killed a cow in the foothills above Eagle which is a Boise suburb. Wolf sightings in the Boise Foothills & Mountains right above the city are becoming more and more common.
Wolves kill cow in Foothills near Eagle | Meridian, Eagle, Kuna, Star | Idaho Statesman (http://www.idahostatesman.com/2011/01/28/1505627/wolves-kill-cow-in-foothills-near.html - broken link)


Here is a link about 13 sheep which were killed right above Boise last May in a popular area for hikers, mountain bikers, and joggers.

Wolves kill sheep in Boise Foothills | News Updates | Idaho Statesman (http://www.idahostatesman.com/2010/05/27/1209074/wolves-kill-sheep-in-boise-foothills.html - broken link)
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Old 01-30-2011, 06:51 PM
 
Location: Pueblo, CO
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You know they were eliminated back in the old days for a reason. They are one bad animal and will continue to be a thorn in rural inhabitants lives unless they are kept in check. And hunting is the most economically feasible way to do it.
Yeah, because people are stupid and greedy. All creatures on this earth, even the most vicious once, are there to keep everything in balance. But everything that goes in the way of the human race should be wiped out, right?
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Old 01-30-2011, 11:10 PM
 
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Yeah, because people are stupid and greedy. All creatures on this earth, even the most vicious once, are there to keep everything in balance. But everything that goes in the way of the human race should be wiped out, right?
Don't want to wipe them out, but I sure would like to have some Elk left to hunt, when I do get to Idaho. My relatives in Wyoming are screaming about how few Elk and Elk tags they have now.
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