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View Poll Results: Do you consider Idaho to be a part of the Pacific Northwest?
Yes. 18 45.00%
No. 22 55.00%
Voters: 40. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 01-11-2023, 03:47 AM
 
Location: Old Mother Idaho
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The coastal influence is strong from the Canadian border all the way down to the Snake River confluence.
That's enough territory to say Idaho is part of the Pacific Northwest.

Idaho has never fit many outsider definitions neatly and never will. Never forget Idaho was the ground no one wanted and was all left over after her original territory had been carved away by all the others surrounding her.

That alone makes neat definitions hard to make.
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Old 01-11-2023, 08:32 AM
 
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In 1864, Idaho City, which is 30 miles north of Boise, was the largest city in the Pacific Northwest, even larger than Portland.

https://westernmininghistory.com/tow...ho/idaho-city/

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Old 01-11-2023, 10:47 AM
 
Location: Vancouver
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I still think people are mixing up the PNW of the continental USA, and the PNW of a global region.
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Old 01-11-2023, 12:22 PM
 
Location: Oregon Coast
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In 1864, Idaho City, which is 30 miles north of Boise, was the largest city in the Pacific Northwest, even larger than Portland.

https://westernmininghistory.com/tow...ho/idaho-city/

Excellent point, but still it only had 7,000 population at its peak. Best as I can tell the Idaho Territory probably had somewhere around 10,000 residents after the split with Montana. In 1870 the population was just under 15,000 and growing extremely fast. Not really enough people to do much lobbying.
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Old 01-11-2023, 03:02 PM
 
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In 1864, Idaho City, which is 30 miles north of Boise, was the largest city in the Pacific Northwest, even larger than Portland.

https://westernmininghistory.com/tow...ho/idaho-city/


It was supposed to be the new capital, wasn't it? Saw a video
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Old 01-11-2023, 08:16 PM
 
Location: Oregon Coast
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It was supposed to be the new capital, wasn't it? Saw a video
I don't think so. It appears the center of government shifted south when mining operations moved south. My guess is that Boise was a compromise location for a southern capital. Silver City was also a major town at that time. Boise was right in the middle between the two. So that would have made it a logical choice for the location of the new capital.

That is some interesting history though. It's not surprising that most of the eastern part of the territory broke off while Northern and Southern Idaho were fighting over where the capital was going to be. It's almost kind of surprising that Idaho survived it without getting completely swallowed up by other territories. There was some talk at that time of Northern Idaho breaking off and joining the Washington Territory. If that had happened Idaho would have been one of the smallest Western states.
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Old 01-11-2023, 08:35 PM
 
Location: Boise, ID
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I don't think so. It appears the center of government shifted south when mining operations moved south. My guess is that Boise was a compromise location for a southern capital. Silver City was also a major town at that time. Boise was right in the middle between the two. So that would have made it a logical choice for the location of the new capital.

That is some interesting history though. It's not surprising that most of the eastern part of the territory broke off while Northern and Southern Idaho were fighting over where the capital was going to be. It's almost kind of surprising that Idaho survived it without getting completely swallowed up by other territories. There was some talk at that time of Northern Idaho breaking off and joining the Washington Territory. If that had happened Idaho would have been one of the smallest Western states.
Boise is also a lot more habitable and along established trade routes. Both Old and New Fort Boise were in the Treasure Valley, and the Assay Office was established in current day Boise about 20 years before statehood, which means Boise already hosted important government functions.
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Old 01-12-2023, 08:55 AM
 
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Here is an interesting history doc:

https://history.idaho.gov/wp-content...al-Capital.pdf

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In November, 1864, the second legislature assembled, again in Lewiston. Northern
Idaho members tried to avoid the issue of locating a territorial capital by asking Congress to
create a new Idaho Territory composed of northern Idaho and eastern Washington, which
would have left southern Idaho free to go off in any direction it chose. But northern Idaho
had a population of only 2,790 compared with southern Idaho's 18,997--and southern Idaho
legislators wanted to stay a part of the territory. They had the votes to do it, they defeated
the northern proposal, and they went on to establish Boise as the capital of Idaho.

The north was horrified at this defeat.
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Old 01-12-2023, 11:20 AM
 
Location: SW King County, WA
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Geographically, yes. Much of Idaho resembles the mountainous regions you'll find in WA/OR/BC and the arid parts don't look dissimilar from its counterparts in eastern Oregon/Washington.

Culturally? Eh, not so much. The stereotypes people associate with Portland/Seattle's weirdness/quirkiness don't really apply anywhere I've seen in Idaho. Coffee and craft beer scenes aside, Boise feels like a fairly distant cousin to Portland, as opposed to a sibling of Seattle in this regard. Also, Idaho as a whole is far more conservative and has a pretty substantial LDS population. In this regard, Idaho has much more in common with Montana, Utah, and Wyoming.

Idaho is a unique state, for sure.
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Old 01-12-2023, 11:42 AM
 
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Geographically, yes. Much of Idaho resembles the mountainous regions you'll find in WA/OR/BC and the arid parts don't look dissimilar from its counterparts in eastern Oregon/Washington.

Culturally? Eh, not so much. The stereotypes people associate with Portland/Seattle's weirdness/quirkiness don't really apply anywhere I've seen in Idaho. Coffee and craft beer scenes aside, Boise feels like a fairly distant cousin to Portland, as opposed to a sibling of Seattle in this regard. Also, Idaho as a whole is far more conservative and has a pretty substantial LDS population. In this regard, Idaho has much more in common with Montana, Utah, and Wyoming.

Idaho is a unique state, for sure.
The bolded is debatable. Boise actually is weird, quirky and has that NW vibe to it. There is a large tech industry, art scene, music scene, liberal citizens, a noted dining scene heavy on Vegan cuisine, etc. Boise is like a cooler, younger and of course much smaller version of Portland without the problems Portland currently has. The positive about the rest of Idaho being more conservative is that Boise, even as it continues to grow and become even more liberal, will never become a mess like Portland is know. Also, the LDS percentage in the Boise area is much lower compared to the rest of the state. The highest LDS percentage is in SE Idaho.

Treefort Music Fest, and indie fest held every March in downtown Boise, has been referred to as Portland's best music fest, was recently ranked one of the best music festivals in the world.

I think to get a proper feel of the Boise vibe, one has to actually live here or vacation here for a few months.
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