Idaho vs California (real estate, property taxes, job)

[rickers]

I came from Ca. 10+ years ago and passed through No. Id on our way to Mt. We got flipped off in a few places in Idaho (Bonners Ferry) while sporting Ca. plates, but once in Mt we experienced nothing but friendliness and welcoming. The knuckleheads who are bitter about sharing their little corner of the world are way more abundant on this chat-board than your neighbors on the ground. What a joke these "anti-threads" are !

[Prinny]

It doesn't matter, people don't seem to understand that you do not own this country. People are welcome to flock wherever they want to from wherever they to. It's how this country works and how the states work. California doesn't chase people away and it's wrong to chase people away. If we all just treat everyone w/ dignity and respect there would be so much more nicer people out there and less people flipping people off. I don't know if it's true or not. I learn by reading what is on the messages. Sounds like there is a lot of hostility. I can assure you that it isn't everyones fault that a few people upset you. If they did I apologize for them but please don't take it out on all Californians, as I'm sure most people in most places are good people. As indivisuals we need to keep in mind that is the make up of our country, we let people come in, we cannot chase Americans out of states invidually.

[Haakon]

Originally Posted by Arrowwind

Hmmmm....this does not sound like a liberal attitude to me. It sounds repressive and conservative. True liberals live and let live. They don't live in fear and they believe and uphold the constitution. They are neighborly and respectful. Only conservatives live in gated communities. Only conservatives try to tell others what to do. Only conservatives have lawyers for best friends.

Not in Washington. I think you're confused on the difference between Libertarian and Liberal.

Originally Posted by Arrowwind

I think you have it mixed up.
DAM. All the conservatives in business and government have us tied up in so much dam red tap you can't even wipe your but without a permit! Hasn't it been conservatives running the show for a while?

Liberal people want freedom to carry guns. They want the freedom to do what they have always done. Conservative people will try to control you and take them away.

Not in Washington, the liberals control the house, senate and governors office (in spite of the voters) and waste no chance to pass more legislation to raise taxes or limit where people can go and what they can do, especially with their own property.

It's the political liberals who try to pass laws banning or registering guns, not conservatives. Libertarian people want freedom to carry guns, not liberals.

[sav858]

Originally Posted by YanquiUXO

Even when that so-called "growth and development" ends up ruining a place because of the congestion, increased prices, increased pollution, etc.?

It's not a difficult case study to witness - take a look at what has happened with Seattle, Portland, and Phoenix (just to name a few) in the past 15 or 20 years from the Californian emigration.

Take a look at what happened to CA from all the emigrants from the mid west and east coast and now Mexico. We weren't always the most populated state you know. People came and still come to CA pushing out natives just like everywhere else. Quit acting like this is some sort of CA phenomenon, the Northeast has been bleeding people for decades and still is. Boo hoo, Idaho is experiencing what a lot of other states across this country have in the past and currently do. No one cares or feels sorry for you so go ahead and keep blaming other people instead of maybe doing something like managing growth properly.

[YanquiUXO]

Originally Posted by Prinny

It doesn't matter, people don't seem to understand that you do not own this country. People are welcome to flock wherever they want to from wherever they to. It's how this country works and how the states work. California doesn't chase people away and it's wrong to chase people away. If we all just treat everyone w/ dignity and respect there would be so much more nicer people out there and less people flipping people off. I don't know if it's true or not. I learn by reading what is on the messages. Sounds like there is a lot of hostility. I can assure you that it isn't everyones fault that a few people upset you. If they did I apologize for them but please don't take it out on all Californians, as I'm sure most people in most places are good people. As indivisuals we need to keep in mind that is the make up of our country, we let people come in, we cannot chase Americans out of states invidually.

Yet people are leaving California for the very reasons you are chiding other states for needing to be better for? Because they're escaping the hostility and and congestion and the crowding and the crime and the pollution and the prices and seeking solace elsewhere?

The very same thing they're escaping is exactly what they're creating in the places they're escaping. I'm sorry, but you don't get to have your cake and eat it, too - that's the very mentality that Californian's tend to be stereotyped as having.

If you have a problem with xenophobia, with hostility and rudeness and the lack of dignity and respect, fix it in your own home, don't run away from the problem and contribute - involuntarily or not - to exacerbating the problem elsewhere in the country.

Why else are people leaving California? And again, I can point to many, many examples of the places Californians flee to becoming exactly what they left only a decade or so ago.

Again, I don't have a problem with Californians in particular - if it were Washingtonians moving here in droves I'd be railing on about them. Individually most are probably good people, and no different than anyone else. I'm upset with the phenomenon - quit leaving your mess and bringing your problems to somewhere else, because aside from greedy and opportunistic businessmen and politicians, no one wants growth and development (like increasing property taxes somehow makes a community any better anyway - the biggest lie I've ever heard).

[YanquiUXO]

Originally Posted by sav858

Take a look at what happened to CA from all the emigrants from the mid west and east coast and now Mexico. We weren't always the most populated state you know. People came and still come to CA pushing out natives just like everywhere else. Quit acting like this is some sort of CA phenomenon, the Northeast has been bleeding people for decades and still is. Boo hoo, Idaho is experiencing what a lot of other states across this country have in the past and currently do. No one cares or feels sorry for you so go ahead and keep blaming other people instead of maybe doing something like managing growth properly.

It's an impossible battle, to manage growth "properly," especially in a free market economy. Politicians have to cater to business and use property taxes as relief for corporate taxes - construction and real estate development are the two easiest industries to prop up in weak economies. Opportunistic outsiders and speculators that have no particular conscience or obligation to an area are free to buy and sell our land as they please, so long as they have the money, because god forbid we discriminate who buys what and what they do with that purchase - "it's just not the American way."

And you get such shrill responses when people do start to question the way we blindly build and encourage "progress," when such growth and "progress" are simply unsustainable. We see it everywhere, in almost every single industry. It's a basic economic principle - resources are limited, are scarce.

Why don't we learn from history and the past, instead of simply reciting the crap we're feed about what's best for our cities and our country. Instead of attacking me for caring, why not clean up your own home? I work on this stuff for a living, I'm doing my part.

[RACER47]

I plan on moving to n.idaho within two years (although I am planning a trip next mo to look at some property to buy now) and I should have somewhere between 2.5 and 3 million to bring with me.

Now to all of the “Idahoans” that are already sittin up a little straighter in their chair after that statement ……….GET OVER IT!!

I like guns, hate hummers, like fishing and camping, hate homeowner associations, like good honest people, hate disrespectful people, and love racing, ( I see yall have a speedway up there) so not all Californians are self centered, condescending, inconsiderate, rude, ignorant folk.

The way I see it, it wouldn’t matter if I was moving from ca, ak, tx, ny. Ky, or mars for that matter, I would still be the same guy.

By the way……… if someone asks me where im from ill tell them im from ”THE UNITED STATES” !!

[Prinny]

Originally Posted by YanquiUXO

Yet people are leaving California for the very reasons you are chiding other states for needing to be better for? Because they're escaping the hostility and and congestion and the crowding and the crime and the pollution and the prices and seeking solace elsewhere?

The very same thing they're escaping is exactly what they're creating in the places they're escaping. I'm sorry, but you don't get to have your cake and eat it, too - that's the very mentality that Californian's tend to be stereotyped as having.

If you have a problem with xenophobia, with hostility and rudeness and the lack of dignity and respect, fix it in your own home, don't run away from the problem and contribute - involuntarily or not - to exacerbating the problem elsewhere in the country.

Why else are people leaving California? And again, I can point to many, many examples of the places Californians flee to becoming exactly what they left only a decade or so ago.

Again, I don't have a problem with Californians in particular - if it were Washingtonians moving here in droves I'd be railing on about them. Individually most are probably good people, and no different than anyone else. I'm upset with the phenomenon - quit leaving your mess and bringing your problems to somewhere else, because aside from greedy and opportunistic businessmen and politicians, no one wants growth and development (like increasing property taxes somehow makes a community any better anyway - the biggest lie I've ever heard).

I'm saying you don't hace a say in where people move to. It doesn't work that way. It's free here, people are free to move about. If people did this to California then why hate on them and not embrave them? Why show such anger. That is what I am reading. A lot of hate and anger. I may be ignorant I don't know, I am just not angry or hateful maybe. I just think people should mirgrate to where they want to and where the opportunities take them and if the people don't like it, it isn't the problem of the Californians. We have to adjust as a society

[SandyCo]

This is the same anti-California thread that I've seen in so many other City-Data state forums.

I've never been to Idaho, but I would love to visit someday at the very least. There are rude, obnoxious people everywhere, and not all of them are California born! Also, there are many Californians, especially in Southern California who don't own a home they can "cash out" on. In fact, 60% of all residents in L.A. are renters.

When I finally move out of California, I'm going to have to use part of my 401(k) to do so. I admit that I wouldn't move unless I found a home to buy, but my needs are simple. What would I do with acres and acres of land with a big, fat McMansion sitting on it? Besides, my 401(k) wouldn't allow me to do that! I'm certainly not rich; I've barely been surviving here.

However, I would like to ask one question: Who is selling all of this property to the evil Californians? Could it be native Idahoans who want to make some money, so they can live more comfortably? Why don't people get mad at them instead? You can't buy something unless someone else is selling it, after all!

[YanquiUXO]

Originally Posted by SandyCo

However, I would like to ask one question: Who is selling all of this property to the evil Californians? Could it be native Idahoans who want to make some money, so they can live more comfortably? Why don't people get mad at them instead? You can't buy something unless someone else is selling it, after all!

This is a typical response, but unfortunately it's not that simple. Farmers and large landowners are being squeezed out in every way, and "cashing in" becomes more a matter of survival than retiring into the sunset.

At least, that's the case here in Idaho. It's either play the game or get played.

I know one landowner that owns a chunk of land that's been completely developed around. He farmed that land, raised cattle and had horses on it. But it has since been annexed, and is now subject to city and neighborhood regulations. He can't farm it anymore, nor can he raise animals on it. What else can he do?

Most land owners here sell because they really have no other choice.

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Also, these "anti-California" threads aren't unique to Idaho - you see them in quite a few other state's forums. Does that not suggest a trend? Does Oregon Governor McCall's famous statement about Californians not suggest a trend?

People will say it's limited to these forums, but I'd say these forums are more representative of how people out in these states really feel. And while, yes, such resentment towards a group of people because of where they lived and/or come from is largely unjustified and silly (and now can we extend that same rhetoric to those complaining about Mexican immigrants, because on a fundamental level what's really the difference - both Idahoans and anti-immigrants are toeing the "I was here first, stay out of my home/backyard line" anyway), this is just how people feel. Some will express it face to face, some resort to venting on forums such as these, and others will keep it quiet.

But don't kid yourselves - the resentment is very, very much there, and it manifests itself in all sorts of social situations.