I'm not afraid to say it. (Reasons for moving to ID) (Post Falls: new house, to buy)

[mistyriverranch]

Originally Posted by elousv

To have no neighbors you would need 100 acres and put your house smack dab in the middle of it.

Or buy a piece of land surrounded by national forest.

[Toyman at Jewel Lake]

Originally Posted by elousv

To have no neighbors you would need 100 acres and put your house smack dab in the middle of it.

Sure would be nice... 20 acres and timber company property next door is a good start though. 100 acres would be sweet! Though I'm not sure I really want to maintain that much land.

[Sage of Sagle]

You know, we're on 10 acres, and anywhere I look around is forest...from anywhere I stand around my house, everything I see is my place except for one far off hill...which feels really good. Ejay...first thing I would do were I you is plant mature trees all along that view....

[ejay]

Originally Posted by elousv

To have no neighbors you would need 100 acres and put your house smack dab in the middle of it.

I don't have a problem with neighbors. They are fine I just think it sucks for the people who live behind me. I talked to the guys that live on either side of the new development and they are not happy. Both of them have been here for way over 25 years, and they did not think that they would have a neighborhood on either side of their acreage. People have tried to do the same thing in Dalton Gardens except there its written in the law that you can't sub divide your property. People bought land and houses there assuming that they could sub divide, and later found out that they can't.

Lucky for me I am renting right now so I don't have to live here forever. I plan on getting out of Idaho as soon as my kids are grown. Paradise is no longer home anymore the solitude and quiet nights are something I want back. The lazy days with no traffic and nothing to do. The side walks rolled up at nine and the town went quiet. I love this place I just don't like to see what it's turning into. For me it's sad for everyone else its their new life. It's their place to escape the hell that was created for them. I am looking for my own escape now because I know that in time we will become full to the gills with people. Times change I know. Really enjoy the lifestyle you have now it won't always be like this. Twenty years ago it was a little known town full of little people living a simple life. That's not what it is today and that's what it will never be again.

[jjkmd]

wow ejay, your post made me very sad. The simple life is exactly what I'm looking for my family, and it looks like it may be endangered up there. Sigh.

[Sage of Sagle]

Originally Posted by jjkmd

wow ejay, your post made me very sad. The simple life is exactly what I'm looking for my family, and it looks like it may be endangered up there. Sigh.

I think it's a very relative view....

My view of ejay's posts is that he is disillusioned and frustrated with North Idaho. It's no longer what it was when he came here, and he's ready to move on. Again, this is just my view.

For me, Idaho has been a whopping night-and-day improvement for our family.

If we could quantify all the "simple good life in Idaho" as being worth a value of say, 100. Maybe it was 90 when ejay moved here and 60 now. So it's lost 1/3 of what made it "special" for ejay.

OK...but for me, coming from SoCal, where "simple good life" value was at about a 3, so for ME it's a 20-fold improvement (2000%) over what I came from.

I'm not saying that I can appreciate Idaho and ejay cannot....rather, it's all based on your perspective and background....maybe Idaho is the "retired supermodel" and ejay was used to dating only the top hotties....but I've been dating "ugly betty" for long enough that I'm VERY appreciative. OK, maybe a poor analogy, but you get my drift...

[shades_of_idaho]

AAACCCCKKKKK this is exactly why I am working so hard as the city clerk here to keep the subdivision laws held to the letter of the ordinance=law. I can not blame the people that bought their 5 to 50 acres and do not want a crammed full subdivision built all around them There is an ordinance for this city set up to stop that or at least control it. Hard to keep developers in line. They do not like to be told no. Here the neighbors have a say so in the development. There are hearings and all. It is not fun to be the hard nose on all of this and I am getting slightly beaten about the head and ears for it by those that WANT the development. So far I have been able to keep the councilmen educated to the state statutes and the city ordinance. I had no idea being a city clerk could be so much fun. NOT!!

Still our little town is still a pretty nice little town to live in. OH And there are a few fun places/houses for sale here too.

Chris

[dusk99]

Its culture not race.

[ejay]

Originally Posted by Sage of Sagle

I think it's a very relative view....

My view of ejay's posts is that he is disillusioned and frustrated with North Idaho. It's no longer what it was when he came here, and he's ready to move on. Again, this is just my view.

For me, Idaho has been a whopping night-and-day improvement for our family.

If we could quantify all the "simple good life in Idaho" as being worth a value of say, 100. Maybe it was 90 when ejay moved here and 60 now. So it's lost 1/3 of what made it "special" for ejay.

OK...but for me, coming from SoCal, where "simple good life" value was at about a 3, so for ME it's a 20-fold improvement (2000%) over what I came from.

I'm not saying that I can appreciate Idaho and ejay cannot....rather, it's all based on your perspective and background....maybe Idaho is the "retired supermodel" and ejay was used to dating only the top hotties....but I've been dating "ugly betty" for long enough that I'm VERY appreciative. OK, maybe a poor analogy, but you get my drift...

Well let me give you some history to fill in the gaps for you so you understand. I moved here in 1975 my Dad just got out of the Air Force and his parents lived in Post Falls. My great grandpa owned a little cafe in Wallace and my grand pa worked in the mines in Kellogg. Now in 1975 the whole USA was a different place and so was Idaho. Things around here were pretty quiet for quite awhile. We always had tourists here mostly from Washington. Some owned houses on Hayden and Cda lakes but they were few. It stayed this way for quite awhile. People would move up here from California and think it was paradise then they would just leave. It went on like this for years.
Then in 1985 my Dad could not find work here so one of his friends who was from California convinces my Dad to move to Grass Valley California. And so in April of 85 we drive to California with little to nothing. My time in California was 7 years of fun filled with a lot of hell. I was called spud at school and teased quite a bit for being from Idaho. I just did not fit in with the local kids who were mostly from the So Cal area. They drove nice new cars to school and I had my old 67 chevelle. Some of the guys I got to know were kids who grew up in the area and since we both liked hunting and guns we all got along great. I still talk to those guys today.
In 92 my Dad decided he had enough of California and we moved back to the only place I ever called home. Having a Dad in the military moved me around a lot when I was younger. And Post Falls was home to me. When I got back everything was the same for the most part. I got together with my school friends and life was back to normal. I was around my people again I fit in. Then around the summer of 2000 things around here start to change. The saw mills that are left are closing and development is starting to take off. Friends that I have known for twenty plus years move away along with their families. And a new style of living starts to creep in where money and cars show your status in life. People start driving rudely cutting you off and not being patient. It takes a half hour to get from Cda to Hayden when it used to only take me ten mins.

Of course Idaho is way better than California and just like I learned when I moved there from Idaho. You can take the boy out of Idaho but you can't the Idaho out of the boy. Problem is I don't fit in here anymore and just like you not liking the changes to Cali I don't like the way this place is changing. I see the same trends here that I saw in the foothills. Regular folk being bought out by people who have the money to do so. The rest of us that choose to stay here are getting behind. My wages are going down year by year. I know things change I just want others to realize that what they have today will be gone tomorrow. I saw it happen to California the greatest state we had. Now look at it. That same attitude is developing it's self here. Just go and read the Cda press comments section and you can see the cultural divide between the new move ins and the locals. People are pretty rude to one another on their site.

When you are used to your town being a certain way for years and then see it change in less than five years you can't help but feel disillusioned. I used to believe that I could work here and make a living. Now I know that I will never be able to make the kind of money here that the people moving here have. For me it is just not possible. It may never be. In the end I and a lot of other people are being priced out of our town. Eventually we will not be able to afford the lifestyle of North Idaho.

I am not bitter I am just realizing a truth in my life. Your dream has become my nightmare. I am a simple guy that just wants to make a few bucks and raise my kids. I will never make a million dollars or have a big house. I never wanted those things they were not for me. I wanted a simple life with a slow pace. Luckily for me I got to enjoy Idaho before it was discovered and sold off to the highest bidder. You may be here now but home will always be home. It's the place where you learned the lessons of life. It's where you were taught and grew and it will always be inside of you no matter where you land. You are your home.

I love this place! To me it is the greatest place on earth! That is why I feel the way I do. If people think that Cda is better now with it's traffic and endless coffee stands ok. I liked it when it was a logger town full of regular folks living life. In the end it does not matter change is inevitable it's knowing when to change that get's tricky. Life is telling me to change...

[Raelyn28]

I totally hear what you are saying. I feel for you. Some of us are in this together and we really need to encourage one another. I recently had to move from Spokane (which I loved) to Oklahoma and things are not going so well. People just get so offended when someone steps out of the box and says they don't like something or someplace. I feel that I have been chastised by certain people (here in this state) because I miss the life I used to have in Washington. I have even been told to pack up take my family and leave. I wish I could do that but it isn't possible and instead of being encourages I am offending people because I don't like something.. I just don't get it..


We are all in different places in our lives. Some are happy with the changes and doing well at the moment and some are not. Many people are losing jobs, taking pay cuts, not being able to find work, etc... It is tough right now. People need to be more sensitive to those around us who are having a difficult time with all of these changes in the economy, etc...

Thanks for your explanation and for sharing your feelings. I will be praying for your situation...that things will get better for you, for us... and for now just try and focus on what you do have and enjoy the beauty that is all around you.

Originally Posted by ejay

Well let me give you some history to fill in the gaps for you so you understand. I moved here in 1975 my Dad just got out of the Air Force and his parents lived in Post Falls. My great grandpa owned a little cafe in Wallace and my grand pa worked in the mines in Kellogg. Now in 1975 the whole USA was a different place and so was Idaho. Things around here were pretty quiet for quite awhile. We always had tourists here mostly from Washington. Some owned houses on Hayden and Cda lakes but they were few. It stayed this way for quite awhile. People would move up here from California and think it was paradise then they would just leave. It went on like this for years.
Then in 1985 my Dad could not find work here so one of his friends who was from California convinces my Dad to move to Grass Valley California. And so in April of 85 we drive to California with little to nothing. My time in California was 7 years of fun filled with a lot of hell. I was called spud at school and teased quite a bit for being from Idaho. I just did not fit in with the local kids who were mostly from the So Cal area. They drove nice new cars to school and I had my old 67 chevelle. Some of the guys I got to know were kids who grew up in the area and since we both liked hunting and guns we all got along great. I still talk to those guys today.
In 92 my Dad decided he had enough of California and we moved back to the only place I ever called home. Having a Dad in the military moved me around a lot when I was younger. And Post Falls was home to me. When I got back everything was the same for the most part. I got together with my school friends and life was back to normal. I was around my people again I fit in. Then around the summer of 2000 things around here start to change. The saw mills that are left are closing and development is starting to take off. Friends that I have known for twenty plus years move away along with their families. And a new style of living starts to creep in where money and cars show your status in life. People start driving rudely cutting you off and not being patient. It takes a half hour to get from Cda to Hayden when it used to only take me ten mins.

Of course Idaho is way better than California and just like I learned when I moved there from Idaho. You can take the boy out of Idaho but you can't the Idaho out of the boy. Problem is I don't fit in here anymore and just like you not liking the changes to Cali I don't like the way this place is changing. I see the same trends here that I saw in the foothills. Regular folk being bought out by people who have the money to do so. The rest of us that choose to stay here are getting behind. My wages are going down year by year. I know things change I just want others to realize that what they have today will be gone tomorrow. I saw it happen to California the greatest state we had. Now look at it. That same attitude is developing it's self here. Just go and read the Cda press comments section and you can see the cultural divide between the new move ins and the locals. People are pretty rude to one another on their site.

When you are used to your town being a certain way for years and then see it change in less than five years you can't help but feel disillusioned. I used to believe that I could work here and make a living. Now I know that I will never be able to make the kind of money here that the people moving here have. For me it is just not possible. It may never be. In the end I and a lot of other people are being priced out of our town. Eventually we will not be able to afford the lifestyle of North Idaho.

I am not bitter I am just realizing a truth in my life. Your dream has become my nightmare. I am a simple guy that just wants to make a few bucks and raise my kids. I will never make a million dollars or have a big house. I never wanted those things they were not for me. I wanted a simple life with a slow pace. Luckily for me I got to enjoy Idaho before it was discovered and sold off to the highest bidder. You may be here now but home will always be home. It's the place where you learned the lessons of life. It's where you were taught and grew and it will always be inside of you no matter where you land. You are your home.

I love this place! To me it is the greatest place on earth! That is why I feel the way I do. If people think that Cda is better now with it's traffic and endless coffee stands ok. I liked it when it was a logger town full of regular folks living life. In the end it does not matter change is inevitable it's knowing when to change that get's tricky. Life is telling me to change...