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Old 05-25-2010, 02:15 PM
 
Location: Caldwell
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Many of the casualties to wildlife (in terms of livestock and domestic animals) are caused by stupid humans who think they can put out suet feeders, dog food, salt licks, and let their animals roam free without suffering any repercussions or habituating the wildlife to humans. Unfortunately, when this happens, the wild animal, not the human, gets shot.
Must...not...respond...

So, are you saying that humans should be shot instead of wild animals?

Damn...
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Old 05-25-2010, 02:18 PM
 
Location: Sandpoint
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Must...not...respond...

So, are you saying that humans should be shot instead of wild animals?

Damn...
Not really, though it's tempting....

I am saying that I have knnown people who put dog food out to feed the bears, and then complained when the same bears raided their garbage cans and ate their goats and pets. Even if those bears get relocated, they have unfortunately learned to regard people as a source of food.
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Old 05-25-2010, 02:21 PM
 
Location: Lakeside
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Must...not...respond...

So, are you saying that humans should be shot instead of wild animals?

Damn...

I know wildlife photographers who bait in animals so they can photograph them. The grizzly that is in the picture I've posted here on HT before (was on my place) was destroyed a few years ago because he "woofed" at hunters cooking steaks in the woods. He had been habituated by one of these photographers. Do I think they should be shot? No. Horsewhipped? Maybe.
Fined out the wazoo...absolutely. Idiots....
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Old 05-25-2010, 02:23 PM
 
Location: Caldwell
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Ok, I concede defeat. The usual fully functional common sense portion of my brain was temporarily disabled by my unrelenting anti-government, regulation, anything of the moment portions of my brain took control and succeeded in making an ass out of myself before my common sense retook control.

I still say, if a wolf eats something I care about - the wolf dies. Then again, if a human eats a person or even my dog that I care about - the human dies too. So I guess my problem is with anything that might eat a person I care about or my beloved pet.

I'm not sure why I was so irrational towards the wolf itself. Theoretically, they are a threat to my food chain - but so far my food chain consists of the local grocery story. So until that changes, I can let the wolf be.

Note: Ok, I might not kill a person over my dead dog - but only because I have no desire to go to prison. Still, a serious skull cracking would ensue!
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Old 05-25-2010, 02:25 PM
 
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I have a question regarding the article posted by Mistyriverranch, FTA: bolding mine "While the predators have surely had a hand in thinning herds, Rachael said, many people have ignored a number of other significant factors, including the state's history of wildfire suppression. Fewer wildfires have resulted in denser forests, inhibiting the ability of elk and deer to find food."
In a state where 70% of it is federally controlled, what is the reason for suppression? Doesn't suppression leave the forest floor a tinderbox and the populace in jeopardy from a devastating fire? Is this a problem for all of you?
Honest answer? Because people build homes and houses in and amongst forested areas, and we're obliged and compelled to risk life and resources (billions of dollars) suppressing those fires because of a few stupid (rich) people.

Towns are certainly a bit of a different story, but nonetheless still part of the problem.

And yes, it is a major, major problem. We're a tinderbox waiting to happen in many areas, not to mention the biological and silvicultural impacts of this policy.
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Old 05-25-2010, 02:36 PM
 
Location: Caldwell
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Honest answer? Because people build homes and houses in and amongst forested areas, and we're obliged and compelled to risk life and resources (billions of dollars) suppressing those fires because of a few stupid (rich) people.

Towns are certainly a bit of a different story, but nonetheless still part of the problem.

And yes, it is a major, major problem. We're a tinderbox waiting to happen in many areas, not to mention the biological and silvicultural impacts of this policy.
As someone who is no stranger to wild fires, having endured massive fires in northern California, family who nearly lost their homes in San Diego, and also family in Tahoe during a massive fire up there - All in recent years, I can say that it sounds like Idaho is facing a 500 year fire.

The irony is that the fire in San Diego could have been prevented had the BOS not banned controlled burns several years ago because it was bothering the wealthy residents out in the hills. So that 7-8 year of growth turned a small brushfire into a 900,000 acre catastrophe. My dad was lucky, the fire crested at the hill above his home - he saw the glow as he was packing his belongings.

The fire in Tahoe, if memory serves me correctly, was caused because of a similar ban on controlled burns.

Then that massive fire in Northern California one or two years ago was near my hometown of Cottonwood, CA. I went up there to visit, 108 degrees outside, and smokey. The most miserable weather conditions I have ever experienced. Having grown up in that area, there is just too much forest to try to control the fire hazard. It's probably good that it burned like it did - the area won't have to worry for many decades to come now...

Idaho is playing with fire and it's going to be a national disaster when it happens - not if - when.
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Old 05-25-2010, 02:43 PM
 
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Just this weekend I attended a presentation by Dr. Jen Pierce from Boise State about fire and climate change in Idaho. Her presentation had a graphic with likelihood of fire, and pretty much all of central and southern Idaho had extremely high risk (ironically, the only other state that matched Idaho was Florida???)

I think that with our recent climate pattern - less snow, more rain in the winter, rainier spring = more dry grass in the summer, pushed back fire season, and hotter summer temps - it all leads to a scary prospect.
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Old 05-25-2010, 02:51 PM
 
Location: Caldwell
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Just this weekend I attended a presentation by Dr. Jen Pierce from Boise State about fire and climate change in Idaho. Her presentation had a graphic with likelihood of fire, and pretty much all of central and southern Idaho had extremely high risk (ironically, the only other state that matched Idaho was Florida???)

I think that with our recent climate pattern - less snow, more rain in the winter, rainier spring = more dry grass in the summer, pushed back fire season, and hotter summer temps - it all leads to a scary prospect.
The Climate is changing in California too. I've never seen so much snow and cold weather. This year will be the first time in like 50 years that Sacramento won't record a single day this year of temps above 90 degrees.

It's unheard of. Our snow pack in California is like 120-140% of normal in most places...its great.

Of course, I don't like the 110 degree heat during the summer, so I'm happy the climate is changing right now. lol
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Old 05-25-2010, 04:04 PM
 
Location: OK
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Apparently you didn't see the point behind the meaning. What does calling someone "Bubba" mean to you? Have another beer, Bubba. I know exactly what it means.

My own brother got that nickname during the 11 months we lived in Texas. Some 3 yr old called him Bubba(he was a newborn) and it stuck ever since.

Is he an inbred yokle that drinks beer and acts like a dumb hillybilly red neck? No, he is a police officer in a town on along the northern coast of California.

My point was, don't insinuate that someone is an inbred hillbilly redneck ingnoramous. That's a personal attack.
Yeah ...... in these parts the little brother in the family is frequently referred to as Bubba. It is a (somewhat) term of endearment. Similar to "Sparky".

Hopwever, as I said before ..... if the shoe fits ......
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Old 05-25-2010, 04:32 PM
 
Location: Caldwell
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Yeah ...... in these parts the little brother in the family is frequently referred to as Bubba. It is a (somewhat) term of endearment. Similar to "Sparky".

Hopwever, as I said before ..... if the shoe fits ......
I sincerely doubt the shoe fits in my case - or anyone else's case on this thread.

Most "Bubbas" would not concern themselves with the internet(save porn) or topics like, "Humanity and Wolves: An Ecological Balance".

How bout some Bubba Gump Shrimp?
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