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Old 06-09-2010, 06:16 PM
 
Location: Littleton, CO
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Perhaps the question should have been:
Questions for all those who support rewarding illegals for violating our laws.
Nope. I don't know anybody who believes that either.
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Old 06-09-2010, 06:21 PM
 
Location: Pa
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Nope. I don't know anybody who believes that either.
Really?
Provide a path to citizenship? That would be a reward to an illegal.
Allowing illegals to stay? That would be a reward.
In fact both would be equal to head of line pass in the process without holding them to the same standard that we hold all legal applicants.
That would be either a reward or a bonus.
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Old 06-09-2010, 07:01 PM
 
Location: Littleton, CO
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Really?
Really.

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Provide a path to citizenship? That would be a reward to an illegal.
That would be a reward to anybody, illegal or otherwise.

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Allowing illegals to stay? That would be a reward.
Only if legals were kicked out at the same time.


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In fact both would be equal to head of line pass in the process without holding them to the same standard that we hold all legal applicants.
Nonsense. There is no proposal by anyone to put illegals at the head of any line.

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That would be either a reward or a bonus.
Only if it really was true.
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Old 06-09-2010, 07:29 PM
 
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Who is in this "open border crowd"? I can't think of any posters here or any public figure of any consequence.
tha open border ppl
dont admit to it
they are playin with fire
with tha growing public anger
agains ilegals
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Old 06-09-2010, 08:06 PM
 
Location: Pa
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Really.


That would be a reward to anybody, illegal or otherwise.


Only if legals were kicked out at the same time.



Nonsense. There is no proposal by anyone to put illegals at the head of any line.


Only if it really was true.
Allowing them to stay in spite the fact that they ignored our laws is in fact a reward for violating our laws. Legals have earned the right to stay. Big difference..
Allowing them to apply without following the same exact guide lines required of legal applicants is once again a reward.
In short you are giving them a head of line pass. Legal applicants must wait in their own countries until granted a VISA. Illegals however ignored the rules or laws. To allow them a free pass is nothing but a reward and head of line pass. In other words they didn't have to wait to be processed. The waiting period for a legal applicant is anywhere from 4 months to 2 years.
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Old 06-10-2010, 03:27 AM
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Before this turns really ugly, I'd like to ask everyone to remain respectful. You don't have to agree on anything; resorting to personal attacks is completely unnecessary and usually shows you're out of arguments - think about it.
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Old 06-10-2010, 05:51 AM
 
Location: Massachusetts
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You're deflecting so, I suppose you do. By the way, "open border crowd" is synonymous with pro-amnesty and failing to secure the border because the poor illegals just want to support their families and get ahead in life
Exactly....so

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None of those believe in an "open border" with no immigration controls as described in your first post. An amnesty program with conditions does not equal "open borders"/let everyone in.

This spin the argument to nowhere tactic just doesn't pan out Gary......
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Old 06-10-2010, 08:41 AM
 
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Allowing them to stay in spite the fact that they ignored our laws is in fact a reward for violating our laws. Legals have earned the right to stay. Big difference..
Allowing them to apply without following the same exact guide lines required of legal applicants is once again a reward.
In short you are giving them a head of line pass. Legal applicants must wait in their own countries until granted a VISA. Illegals however ignored the rules or laws. To allow them a free pass is nothing but a reward and head of line pass. In other words they didn't have to wait to be processed. The waiting period for a legal applicant is anywhere from 4 months to 2 years.
Incorrect. The waiting period for legals in USA is somewhere between 3-8 years; for those outside of USA, that's anybody's guess but think 5+.

There's also a quota thing, meaning each country is allotted 20,000 green card each year. Assuming out of our current 13 million, 10 is from Mexico. If the cap is in place, for anyone legal from Mexico, shouldn't they wait 50 years or should those illegals wait? It looks like nobody is waiting so, yes, it's jumping the line and no, it's not acceptable!!!!
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Old 06-10-2010, 09:39 AM
 
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None of those believe in an "open border" with no immigration controls as described in your first post. An amnesty program with conditions does not equal "open borders"/let everyone in.
Amnesty= Open borders. It made the problem worse after the mass amnesty of '86, and will make it just as bad when given again.
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Old 06-10-2010, 10:42 AM
 
Location: 3rd rock from the sun
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Amnesty= Open borders
Now you are moving the goal posts. I was responding to the OP's first post - which was not about amnesty but about a fictional "open border" crowd that believes in removing immigration controls and letting anybody in. Amnesty<> Open borders.

Reagan screwed up with his 1986 Amnesty and he and subsequent administrations (incl. Democrats 5 years later) didn't follow through on the provisions or the bill - or watered down the provisions.

- I do not believe in Open Borders but do believe in a conditional amnesty
- I'd deport anyone who has been in the US illegally for less than x years (Reagan set it at 4)
- those in the country longer than x years could stay if they met certain conditions & had no criminal past - must pay all fees that legal immigrants had to pay
- no citizenship for 20+ years (possibly never) - but their US born children could be citizens (family-category Mexican immigrants must wait about 15 years for their immigration papers plus 5 in country to be citizens)
- fines and criminal charges against employers of illegals - even if they use the Reagan loophole of using sub-contractors
- it is estimated that 1 in 3 illegals in 1986 showed fake documents to get their amnesty - crackdown on that and make it a deportable offence.
- secure the border - it's hard to check all commercial & private traffic (lines are already hours long) -find some way to expedite legal crossers

Most illegals are looking for a better life - and are not the subhuman vermin who only want to leach off the system as many here portray them. It's possible to believe in immigration control without demonizing the migrants.
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