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Old 06-10-2010, 11:33 AM
 
Location: Metro West- Boston, MA
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Gary: who cares what they're looking for? We as a nation have absolutely no obligation to provide anyone with "what they are looking for". If they want a better life let them improve their own country.
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Old 06-10-2010, 11:50 AM
 
Location: 3rd rock from the sun
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Gary: who cares what they're looking for? We as a nation have absolutely no obligation to provide anyone with "what they are looking for". If they want a better life let them improve their own country.
I'm not saying that we do have an obligation. I thought I was clear about amnesty for some & sending recent migrants back. Just saying there's no need to demonize them as subhuman criminal scum.

I prefer the Judge Milian approach to resolving issues than the Judge Judy approach. Both get to the same decision but Judge Judy has to scream and treat people like dirt.
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Old 06-10-2010, 11:53 AM
 
Location: South Bay Native
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I'm not saying that we do have an obligation. I thought I was clear about amnesty for some & sending recent migrants back. Just saying there's no need to demonize them as subhuman criminal scum.
Do you have examples of this happening?
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Old 06-10-2010, 12:29 PM
 
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I'm not saying that we do have an obligation. I thought I was clear about amnesty for some & sending recent migrants back. Just saying there's no need to demonize them as subhuman criminal scum.
So they are NOT criminal scums?
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Old 06-10-2010, 01:35 PM
 
Location: Littleton, CO
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Allowing them to stay in spite the fact that they ignored our laws is in fact a reward for violating our laws. Legals have earned the right to stay. Big difference.
Ahhh.... I see what you're saying. Your issue is not really that we'd be rewarding them, it's that we'd not be punishing them enough. I'd agree with that, but it's not the same thing as a reward.

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Allowing them to apply without following the same exact guide lines required of legal applicants is once again a reward.
I know of no one who is suggesting that they do not follow the same exact guidelines required of legal applicants.

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In short you are giving them a head of line pass.
Who is?

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Legal applicants must wait in their own countries until granted a VISA.
So? A lot of the proposals I've seen require the same of illegals.
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Old 06-10-2010, 02:25 PM
 
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Ahhh.... I see what you're saying. Your issue is not really that we'd be rewarding them, it's that we'd not be punishing them enough. I'd agree with that, but it's not the same thing as a reward.


I know of no one who is suggesting that they do not follow the same exact guidelines required of legal applicants.


Who is?


So? A lot of the proposals I've seen require the same of illegals.

I have not seen proposal taking the 20,000 per country annual cap on green card into account.
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Old 06-10-2010, 02:40 PM
 
Location: Littleton, CO
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I have not seen proposal taking the 20,000 per country annual cap on green card into account.
Of course. Why would you expect to?
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Old 06-10-2010, 02:43 PM
 
Location: OCEAN BREEZES AND VIEWS SAN CLEMENTE
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Gary: who cares what they're looking for? We as a nation have absolutely no obligation to provide anyone with "what they are looking for". If they want a better life let them improve their own country.
Well said, absoutely positively, agree with you, let every freaking one of them, ----- to their own Government, about making life better for them. There Government could give a crap about them, that is why, not our problem, now and never in our past, was this Our Problem. We have allowed for this mess to happen, now it is time, that we citizens, stand up, and make our voices heard.
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Old 06-10-2010, 02:45 PM
 
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Gary: who cares what they're looking for? We as a nation have absolutely no obligation to provide anyone with "what they are looking for". If they want a better life let them improve their own country.
Something I am hearing over and over from those here illegally is, they have no need or use to become american, the goal is to improve thier lifes by sending home money to mexico and securing land there.
Once done with the money they can make here its back to mexico to retire or do some biz that is now secured. I tell you in last two years every tradesman that I spoke said this to me. I always ask for papers from my workers, I explain its because americans need these jobs too.
So with much angry I get the fy dont need to be american stuff.
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Old 06-10-2010, 02:47 PM
 
Location: OCEAN BREEZES AND VIEWS SAN CLEMENTE
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Perhaps the question should have been:
Questions for all those who support rewarding illegals for violating our laws.
Luv it, have to rep ya for this one!
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