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Old 06-11-2010, 09:05 AM
 
Location: Pa
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Currently the USA allows just about 1.6 million legal immigrants per year to enter. To put this into perspective that is more than all other nations on the planet combined. By that standard I would and do think that we must have some pretty reasonable immigration laws.
Now we have heard the argument from some that we are just not fair. That we make it too difficult and this in turn forces people to violate our laws.
1.6 million legal immigrants say otherwise. 1.6 million people who felt that the rewards justified doing it legally.
Another favorite argument is that we allegedly stole land from Mexico and that we owe it to the Mexican people to allow them a free pass.
I won't bother to address this lame excuse because we all have about 1.6 million times already.
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Old 06-11-2010, 09:07 AM
 
Location: San Diego North County
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Can illegal immigration be justified....

No.

'Nuff said.
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Old 06-11-2010, 09:11 AM
 
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No. Especially as the H2A visa program provides unlimited work visas. There is no excuse to bring millions of people here illegally.
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Old 06-11-2010, 09:23 AM
 
Location: Wichita,Kansas
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No.
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Old 06-11-2010, 09:49 AM
 
Location: Arizona High Desert
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YES....if Monaco is willing to take them..or Palm Springs..Palm Beach..The Hamptons...you get the idea.
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Old 06-11-2010, 10:08 AM
 
Location: Arizona
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No, illegal immigration cannot be justified but neither can deporting 20 million people. Which would amount to the largest roundup of human beings in the history of the planet.
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Old 06-11-2010, 10:12 AM
 
Location: San Diego
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No, illegal immigration cannot be justified but neither can deporting 20 million people. Which would amount to the largest roundup of human beings in the history of the planet.
First, one by one they all came here without consent meaning they are ALL deportable.

Second, we don't have to deport even one. Stop the job magnet, free social services and they will all self-deport without one being detained. Ike has already proven it is possible as have laws like the new AZ law.

Removing criminals, thieves, liars and cheats from your house isn't inhumane, it is just!
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Old 06-11-2010, 10:28 AM
 
Location: Arizona
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First, one by one they all came here without consent meaning they are ALL deportable.

Second, we don't have to deport even one. Stop the job magnet, free social services and they will all self-deport without one being detained. Ike has already proven it is possible as have laws like the new AZ law.

Removing thieves, liars and cheats from your house isn't inhumane, it is just!
Then why arn't the immigration hardliners going after the employers rather than a bunch of shoeless peasants? Why arn't all the legal citizens who are out of work and claiming that they will do the jobs that illegals do lining up at Lowe's and Home Depot willing to be day laborers? That in itself would shut down a big portion of the illegal labor pool. Instead, everyone just whines and moans about how a bunch of shoeless peasants and babies born here are single-handedly destroying the country and the rhetoric gets nastier and nastier by the day.

In theory they are all deportable but in reality, logistically and financially that is not a possibility. You can't easily move 20 million people anywhere without a huge logistical and financial effort. Also the idea that if you crack down on them they will all leave is just a myth used to justify the thinly disguised racial undercurrent that permeates the entire dialogue. I would bet you a dollar to a donut that even if by some weird twist of fate, Tom Tancredo the hardest of the hard line anti illegal leader, were elected president and the repubs controlled the house and senate there would still not be a mass deportation of 20-25 million immigrants. Impossible to acomplish financially, logisticly and morally on the world stage.
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Old 06-11-2010, 10:45 AM
 
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Then why arn't the immigration hardliners going after the employers rather than a bunch of shoeless peasants? Why arn't all the legal citizens who are out of work and claiming that they will do the jobs that illegals do lining up at Lowe's and Home Depot willing to be day laborers? That in itself would shut down a big portion of the illegal labor pool. Instead, everyone just whines and moans about how a bunch of shoeless peasants and babies born here are single-handedly destroying the country and the rhetoric gets nastier and nastier by the day.

In theory they are all deportable but in reality, logistically and financially that is not a possibility. You can't easily move 20 million people anywhere without a huge logistical and financial effort. Also the idea that if you crack down on them they will all leave is just a myth used to justify the thinly disguised racial undercurrent that permeates the entire dialogue. I would bet you a dollar to a donut that even if by some weird twist of fate, Tom Tancredo the hardest of the hard line anti illegal leader, were elected president and the repubs controlled the house and senate there would still not be a mass deportation of 20-25 million immigrants. Impossible to acomplish financially, logisticly and morally on the world stage.

We don't have to deport all of them.

Just write in the law that there will be no amnesty. Period. All illegals are required to go home and apply for LPR there.

If anybody still crossing the border after this law comes into effect, he or she would never ever become LPR.

I think that's enough amnesty.
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Old 06-11-2010, 11:08 AM
 
Location: San Diego
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Then why arn't the immigration hardliners going after the employers rather than a bunch of shoeless peasants? Why arn't all the legal citizens who are out of work and claiming that they will do the jobs that illegals do lining up at Lowe's and Home Depot willing to be day laborers? That in itself would shut down a big portion of the illegal labor pool. Instead, everyone just whines and moans about how a bunch of shoeless peasants and babies born here are single-handedly destroying the country and the rhetoric gets nastier and nastier by the day.

In theory they are all deportable but in reality, logistically and financially that is not a possibility. You can't easily move 20 million people anywhere without a huge logistical and financial effort. Also the idea that if you crack down on them they will all leave is just a myth used to justify the thinly disguised racial undercurrent that permeates the entire dialogue. I would bet you a dollar to a donut that even if by some weird twist of fate, Tom Tancredo the hardest of the hard line anti illegal leader, were elected president and the repubs controlled the house and senate there would still not be a mass deportation of 20-25 million immigrants. Impossible to acomplish financially, logisticly and morally on the world stage.
You keep referring to the "poor people" when most of them paid 2-5 grand to be smuggled here. That is a lot of money for shoes.
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