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Old 06-12-2010, 08:37 PM
 
Location: San Antonio Texas
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That is not true about Mexico's university system. Quiet the opposite is true. There is not such thing as free college tuition in Mexico unless you have worked for the government before (and even that is usually discounted tuition), you have a scholarship, or you have family that works in the school. It is pretty similar to the US university system, at least in the way it works for tuition payments.

I'm going to post one, just one, link to a very large public university (and well known) system in Mexico. It reflects pretty standard costs of tuition. This is in pesos:

Colegiaturas - Universidad de las Américas Puebla (http://www.udlap.mx/Admisiones/licenciatura/costoscolegiaturas.aspx - broken link)

SoEdible, he had no chance of becoming a resident here unless he had a petitioner, which he didn't/doesn't. If he had left the US less than 180 days after his 18th birthday, he would have technically had no illegal presence counted against him and he could have applied for a non-immigrant student visa which probably would have been granted. You can read about this illegal presence law put into act by your lawmakers back in 1996 in INA 212 (a)(9)(B).
so, they pay $195 american to attend for one semester, $5,450 for a medical surgeon? seems reasonable to me.
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Old 06-12-2010, 09:15 PM
 
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Sure, if you are going to Mexico with American dollars.

If this was in America, this would be equivalent to roughly $2K per semester, which is like a very cheap community college (relatively affordable) and 54K/semester for a surgical preparation (it is actually 70K pesos for the fall semester according the website...), which is certainly not attainable for many people in the US, much less in Mexico.

With average wages being roughly 55 pesos/day (see link here Mexico Facts Figures Demographics Economy Data), which is roughly $5 USD/day (just for fun facts), your monthly income would be roughly 1550 pesos a month.

Assuming you don't have many bills to pay, you might be able to pay monthly for a typical program at a college, certainly not all up front. Not many college students in the US can pay for a semester up front either. However, in Mexico the cost of things is not that much different than the cost of things in the US and the price is not adjusted to average Mexican wages which means it is a lot more difficult to pay for things which frequently means there is less money to pay for things like education.

Public high school costs for materials are very high (books and uniforms, sometimes even tuition - yes for public school) in most Latin American countries which is why a high school education there is seen as optional or very difficult to attain. Many people who immigrate here are extremely undereducated not because they are stupid or lazy (although sometimes it may be...same as people in the US). It is because they frequently did not go further than middle school due to affordability of a high school education.
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Old 06-13-2010, 02:15 AM
 
Location: Spokane via Sydney,Australia
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So, because Mexicans can't afford a Mexican tertiary education they should get it here for free?

I think not.
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Old 06-13-2010, 02:52 AM
 
Location: San Diego
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Cry me a river. Paaaaleeeze.

Anyone here NOT have bills to pay? I'm tired of paying someone else's bill.
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Old 06-13-2010, 07:06 AM
 
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That is not true about Mexico's university system. Quiet the opposite is true. There is not such thing as free college tuition in Mexico unless you have worked for the government before (and even that is usually discounted tuition), you have a scholarship, or you have family that works in the school. It is pretty similar to the US university system, at least in the way it works for tuition payments.

I'm going to post one, just one, link to a very large public university (and well known) system in Mexico. It reflects pretty standard costs of tuition. This is in pesos:

Colegiaturas - Universidad de las Américas Puebla (http://www.udlap.mx/Admisiones/licenciatura/costoscolegiaturas.aspx - broken link)

SoEdible, he had no chance of becoming a resident here unless he had a petitioner, which he didn't/doesn't. If he had left the US less than 180 days after his 18th birthday, he would have technically had no illegal presence counted against him and he could have applied for a non-immigrant student visa which probably would have been granted. You can read about this illegal presence law put into act by your lawmakers back in 1996 in INA 212 (a)(9)(B).
You need to better inform yourself.

International Higher Education--16/4

This one for example - $68 a semester. Practically free.

Mexico - Higher Education


Public universities and technological institutes of higher education offer affordable education to all Mexicans. Tuition is free, but there are fees for some administrative tasks.
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Old 06-13-2010, 07:09 AM
 
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Sure, if you are going to Mexico with American dollars.
Which is exactly what this kid would be doing. His family has made American dollars and now they can pay with those dollars whatever costs there are to educate him back home in Mexico.

It is not for the American taxpayers to provide free university educations for all the billions of people in the world.
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Old 06-13-2010, 07:30 AM
 
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so, they pay $195 american to attend for one semester, $5,450 for a medical surgeon? seems reasonable to me.
Well - ONLY if you are a citizen of Mexico. Mexico does not give anything to citizens of the USA. Which is fair - but it's not fair that these students have the option to a very affordable or free education in their own country yet insist on having a free education in the USA which is then denied to American citizens.

He should not consider himself superior to other foreign students just because his family are law breakers, he should apply as a foreign student and pay the higher tuition costs. Why should someone abiding by the law be hit with higher tuition rates, while someone with no respect for the law expects everything be handed on a silver platter?
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Old 06-13-2010, 08:16 AM
 
Location: So Cal
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U.S. Rep. Charlie Gonzalez, D-San Antonio, said he hadn't heard from Balderas but planned to look into the case. The best he'd been able to do in a similar case involving a young woman was work with her lawyer to try to buy time, he said.
“Until we actually have some sort of immigration law reform, ... you're going to see this more often,” Gonzalez said. “They've been here all their lives, they've gone through our school system, they are now in college, professionally trained, learning skills. What a crazy thing (deportation would be) after that kind of investment.”
They've been here all their lives? Who elected this idiot.
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Old 06-13-2010, 12:03 PM
 
Location: San Diego
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Just think what the tab is for that student after all those years of living off of the tax payers. It makes me feel all warm and fuzzy, especially the part about demands after all that other money being sopped up.
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Old 06-13-2010, 12:21 PM
 
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An article from 1999 no longer contains relevant information for 2010-2011, but nice try.

$68 American dollars is very different than $680 Mexican pesos. That's like comparing the dollar to a British pound. You need more dollars to pay for the same thing you can get in America but because of the exchange rate (which is currently 1 pound to 1.45 American dollars) you are going to pay a lot more for that item in England. 68 British pounds equals 98 American dollars. That's not good for the American, now is it? But if it makes your life more convenient, go ahead and ignore exchange rates and costs of goods in other countries. I don't make up expenses or exchange rates.

Like I already said, bringing American money to most other countries is going to get you a hell of a deal on basically anything you want. But until you work somewhere where your money is much more difficulty earned, and this can include people in America who were born and raised here, then your small minds will never understand the plight of other people in other countries and even here in your blessed ol' USA.

You all cry out about helping "your own", yet you are most likely vehemently opposed to better health care for the less advantaged (and only US citizens as the health care reform bill excludes illegal immigrants), good public education for kids, cheaper college tuition costs, don't care that despite the bad economy the US continues to outsource the majority of its business so Americans are out of jobs, local and community outreaches that help the less advantaged regardless of race, color, sexual orientation, legal status, etc because none of those issues affect you personally.

Instead you sit there in your cushy yet dead end mid-level management job, in your 7 x 7 office with no windows and cast judgment on those less advantaged than you whether they are American or not. I hope that all the judgment you cast on others less fortunate comes back to you tenfold.

Good luck with your ignorance and your "me first, eff everyone else" attitude because when you need help the most, help won't be there. That attitude isolates you more than you can realize until you need someone there for you and they won't be. It is unfortunate that people like you have to learn the hard way. I predict that even in your misfortune you will still find someone else to blame for your problems and instead of learning from your circumstances, you perpetuate them.

In the meantime, maybe you can send a hateful email to your congresspeople about changing current immigration laws and birth right citizenship. After all, you are the people that elected these officials to office. Might as well take advantage of that cushy life you have and put your negative energy into something that is maybe kind of productive rather than stewing in your apathy with other miserable strangers on a message board.

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