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Old 06-14-2010, 11:58 AM
 
Location: SouthCentral Texas
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What they can do is refuse to issue birth certificates to anchor babies.....
by what authority could they[the state] do that, It is the counties that issue birth ceritificates following Federal guidelines. If the Pima County clerk of records refuses to issue certificates persuent to a new AZ State law, A US district Court order could order the clerk to do so. again if the clerk refuses, he Could be in contempt of court and could be jailed.

but I dont ever see it even getting close to that point. Unlike SB1070 that was signed in law, this new law proposal is just that. the AZ legislature session ends later this month so it will be a long way off before the issue is even brought up again.
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Old 06-14-2010, 12:03 PM
 
Location: SouthCentral Texas
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You know just as well (if you don't, you SHOULD) as anyone that illegals have abused this amendment for all they can get out of it, and it was NOT meant to function that way when it was written.

So....we need to amend the constitution to spell out clearly what is and what is not legal citizenship. The fact that any state is even considering this will pave the way.

They should also make it very retroactive.
Amending the US constitution's 14th amendment and Arizona writing a birth right citizenship law for Az is two totally diferent and separate issues.

If the American people want to amend the 14th, so be it.

but Az has no right to make any law that abridges or defines US citizenship...none
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Old 06-14-2010, 01:00 PM
 
Location: Littleton, CO
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What they can do is refuse to issue birth certificates to anchor babies.....
Nope. Can't do that either. Also 14th Amendment. Equal protection clause.
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Old 06-14-2010, 01:02 PM
 
Location: Littleton, CO
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They should also make it very retroactive.
Nope. Can't do that. Article 1, Section 9, clause 3.

It would be an ex post facto law.
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Old 06-14-2010, 01:05 PM
 
Location: ...at a 3AM epiphany
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Amending the US constitution's 14th amendment and Arizona writing a birth right citizenship law for Az is two totally diferent and separate issues.

If the American people want to amend the 14th, so be it.

but Az has no right to make any law that abridges or defines US citizenship...none
Obviously they know something you do not or they would not even propose such an issue, they'll rid themselves of the anchor baby atrocity. More power to those who try and rid this Country of the parasites scourging off of our resources via anchor babies.

You know most Americans want to end this birthright loophole, we hate the obscene abuse. Given the right people and time, it will end with a great victory for America. Those opposing will cry in their many drinks as they watch the monies dry up to dust.

tick tock...
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Old 06-14-2010, 01:07 PM
 
Location: Littleton, CO
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Obviously they know something you do not or they would not even propose such an issue.
Surely you jest?
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Old 06-14-2010, 04:42 PM
 
Location: San Diego
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Let's check the 2nd and then check the individual States modifications of it. It happens.
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Old 06-14-2010, 05:48 PM
 
Location: Littleton, CO
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Let's check the 2nd and then check the individual States modifications of it. It happens.
And the Supreme Court overturns them.
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Old 06-14-2010, 05:55 PM
 
Location: Oklahoma(formerly SoCalif) Originally Mich,
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by what authority could they[the state] do that, It is the counties that issue birth ceritificates following Federal guidelines. If the Pima County clerk of records refuses to issue certificates persuent to a new AZ State law, A US district Court order could order the clerk to do so. again if the clerk refuses, he Could be in contempt of court and could be jailed.

but I dont ever see it even getting close to that point. Unlike SB1070 that was signed in law, this new law proposal is just that. the AZ legislature session ends later this month so it will be a long way off before the issue is even brought up again.
As usual, your not listening.
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Old 06-14-2010, 06:03 PM
 
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Nope. Can't do that. Article 1, Section 9, clause 3.

It would be an ex post facto law.
Who cares? If we make laws retroactive on sex offenders, why not everyone else?
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