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Old 06-15-2010, 03:33 PM
 
Location: Massachusetts
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yes, I know. but it's the refusal of American culture to not recognize Spanish as the unofficial language. If there is no "official" language including English then we can include all the commentary as well.
Apparently you missed my point.


What's the official language in USA?


Do you live in the USA?
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Old 06-15-2010, 03:39 PM
 
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The Tenth Amendment prohibits the Federal government from declaring an official language.

States however have the power to declare official languages, not that it means much. California's official language is English, which certainly doesn't match up with the reality of official materials appearing in English, Spanish, Chinese (Mandarin and Cantonese), Korean, Vietnamese, Farsi, Armenian, Arabic, Russian, and probably several others.
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Old 06-15-2010, 03:41 PM
 
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The Tenth Amendment prohibits the Federal government from declaring an official language.

States however have the power to declare official languages, not that it means much. California's official language is English, which certainly doesn't match up with the reality of official materials appearing in English, Spanish, Chinese (Mandarin and Cantonese), Korean, Vietnamese, Farsi, Armenian, Arabic, Russian, and probably several others.
Link to the part of tenth amendment that prohibits the federal government from declaring an official language, please.
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Old 06-15-2010, 03:49 PM
 
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Link to the part of tenth amendment that prohibits the federal government from declaring an official language, please.
"The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."

There is no power delegated to the federal government in the Constitution to declare an official language.

That power is reserved for the states.

Granted, the overexpansive interpretation of the Commerce Clause ever since Wickard has gutted the Tenth Amendment at the expense of state's rights, but that is hardly something to be celebrated.

That said, many states have English as their official language ; some have English and Spanish as co-official languages ; and there are a couple of states that have English and French as co-official languages. Other states have no official languages.
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Old 06-15-2010, 03:53 PM
 
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There is no "specific language" in the Constitution that denies the federal government the right to declare an official "national" language. You are grasping at straws here.
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Old 06-15-2010, 04:02 PM
 
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There is no "specific language" in the Constitution that denies the federal government the right to declare an official "national" language. You are grasping at straws here.
"The Tenth Amendment, which makes explicit the idea that the federal government is limited only to the powers granted in the Constitution, is generally recognized to be a truism. In United States v. Sprague (1931) the Supreme Court noted that the amendment "added nothing to the [Constitution] as originally ratified.'"

There is no power granted to the federal government to declare an official language. It was an issue at the time ; large numbers of German-speakers in PA and NJ back then. The NJ legislature barely defeated a proposal to make German a co-official language with English ; this is the basis for the silly urban legend about Congress debating as to whether to make German the official language of the US (which never happened, nor could it have happened).

OTOH the feds have gotten around the Tenth Amendment via the Commerce Clause (since Wickard v. Fillburn) and the denial of federal funds to states who don't comply with federal mandates (since South Dakota v. Dole, one of the WORST SCOTUS decisions of the last quarter century).
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Old 06-15-2010, 05:03 PM
 
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We will see what the future holds for making English our official national language and changing birthright citizenship. I think you and yours will be on the losing end.
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Old 06-15-2010, 05:22 PM
 
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If it's English, why do so many government sites have both English and Spanish?

This annoys the hell out of me!!!
Also French in some cases. Wonder why people don't complain about that.
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Old 06-15-2010, 05:36 PM
 
Location: John & Ken-ville
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Certainly you are not suggesting that the French are somebody we should be generally trying to emulate?



Let no irony go unsmelted.
I'm suggesting that if someone dared to refuse to serve someone in the United States because they didn't speak English as their first language there would be heads rolling and lawsuits for discrimination.

But they don't do that in France.
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Old 06-15-2010, 06:20 PM
 
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Also French in some cases. Wonder why people don't complain about that.
Probably because it is rare. On the other hand it is only Spanish that is being shoved in our faces everywhere we go nowadays.
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