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Old 06-15-2010, 09:03 PM
 
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I can't think of one good reason for illegal immigrants to receive amnesty except under the circumstance that they are able to pay all their taxes, backtaxes, and support all the family they have in the US. Obviously somebody who can do this is able to contribute to society, and are likely well-educated, thus elevating the talent pool in this country.

But then again most talented people like this probably came through legal channels of immigration.

Unfortunately some people who want amnesty banned are the probably pretty low on the totem pole of intelligence and financial stability as well - and blaming loss of jobs on illegals makes them feel better. Kick them out too. Why stop at illegals... just lose the dead weight.

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Old 06-16-2010, 01:55 AM
 
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I can't think of one good reason for illegal immigrants to receive amnesty except under the circumstance that they are able to pay all their taxes, backtaxes, and support all the family they have in the US. Obviously somebody who can do this is able to contribute to society, and are likely well-educated, thus elevating the talent pool in this country.

But then again most talented people like this probably came through legal channels of immigration.

Unfortunately some people who want amnesty banned are the probably pretty low on the totem pole of intelligence and financial stability as well - and blaming loss of jobs on illegals makes them feel better. Kick them out too. Why stop at illegals... just lose the dead weight.
It's going to be very hard to get illegals to pay up all the back taxes they owe including all the Social Security tax, Medicare tax with fines -- which would be what an American citizen tax evader would have slapped on.

If they stole a social security number, that's a serious felony crime so they shouldn't be eligible for any amnesty, but those who worked for cash most likely have no proof of income and deciding how much back taxes and fines they owe would be impossible.

And why leave out the family they left back in Mexico - why should back child support be given only to children born in the USA?

I don't think you discourage law breaking by rewarding people for breaking the laws.
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Old 06-16-2010, 07:45 AM
 
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I can't think of one good reason for illegal immigrants to receive amnesty except under the circumstance that they are able to pay all their taxes, backtaxes, and support all the family they have in the US. Obviously somebody who can do this is able to contribute to society, and are likely well-educated, thus elevating the talent pool in this country.

But then again most talented people like this probably came through legal channels of immigration.

Unfortunately some people who want amnesty banned are the probably pretty low on the totem pole of intelligence and financial stability as well - and blaming loss of jobs on illegals makes them feel better. Kick them out too. Why stop at illegals... just lose the dead weight.
You might want to educate yourself on this issue.
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Old 06-16-2010, 12:59 PM
 
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this does bring up another question. does anyone differentiate between a person who overstayed a student visa and the person who was smuggled in?

the former has been previeoulsy vetted and allowed to be in the US, while the former has never been through the proper channels to be a part of society.

does it make a difference? is either one more desirable?
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Old 06-16-2010, 02:33 PM
 
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this does bring up another question. does anyone differentiate between a person who overstayed a student visa and the person who was smuggled in?

the former has been previeoulsy vetted and allowed to be in the US, while the former has never been through the proper channels to be a part of society.

does it make a difference? is either one more desirable?
No difference to me.
They both made a conscious choice to be in our country illegally.
They both need to be sent 'home' - wherever that may be.
AND, they should never be allowed back into the US!
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Old 06-16-2010, 02:46 PM
 
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No difference to me.
They both made a conscious choice to be in our country illegally.
They both need to be sent 'home' - wherever that may be.
AND, they should never be allowed back into the US!

Actually, overstay can be a mistake while hiking hundreds of miles is not. There are already laws on the book dealing with overstay.
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Old 06-16-2010, 02:51 PM
 
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I can't think of one good reason for illegal immigrants to receive amnesty except under the circumstance that they are able to pay all their taxes, backtaxes, and support all the family they have in the US. Obviously somebody who can do this is able to contribute to society, and are likely well-educated, thus elevating the talent pool in this country.

But then again most talented people like this probably came through legal channels of immigration.

Unfortunately some people who want amnesty banned are the probably pretty low on the totem pole of intelligence and financial stability as well - and blaming loss of jobs on illegals makes them feel better. Kick them out too. Why stop at illegals... just lose the dead weight.

Paying back taxes is a laughable matter. It's much better to set up a fine in equivalent of what a regular legal immigrant must pay to become a permanent resident.

I would propose a fine in the range of $50,000. They want to come back? They must go back home, pay the fine and then apply for visa from their home countries.
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Old 06-16-2010, 03:04 PM
 
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I can't think of one good reason for illegal immigrants to receive amnesty except under the circumstance that they are able to pay all their taxes, backtaxes,

How do you know how much in back taxes they owe?
There's no record of them crossing the border.
They can't prove anything they are illegal.
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Old 06-16-2010, 03:47 PM
 
Location: central Oregon
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Actually, overstay can be a mistake while hiking hundreds of miles is not. There are already laws on the book dealing with overstay.
Although true, overstays usually don't do the right thing once they realize they've made a mistake. It is then a conscious choice on their part to stay in the US illegally.
Of course there are laws on the books. However, we all know that nobody enforces said laws. No one keeps track of who is here and when they should leave. (Someone probably is supposed to do this, but it just ain't getting done!)
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Old 06-16-2010, 04:06 PM
 
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Although true, overstays usually don't do the right thing once they realize they've made a mistake. It is then a conscious choice on their part to stay in the US illegally.
Of course there are laws on the books. However, we all know that nobody enforces said laws. No one keeps track of who is here and when they should leave. (Someone probably is supposed to do this, but it just ain't getting done!)
If I am not mistaken, overstay has a 90 grace period. After that, it's treated as illegal immigrants.
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