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Old 06-16-2010, 09:55 PM
 
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Most countries require its citizens and permanent residents to carry national ID cards at all times. In the United States this is only required of permanent residents and not citizens.

To combat illegal immigration while treating everyone equally and avoiding "racial profiling", perhaps we should do what many other countries do which is make it compulsory for everyone to carry one's identity card at all times when in public areas and to produce it when requested by a police or immigration officer during a lawful stop (such as a traffic violation, etc).

Since permanent legal residents already have to carry the "green card" at all times, we simply need to mandate that U.S citizens also have to carry their "passport card" as well. For those who don't know, the U.S. issues the passport card to any American citizen upon voluntary application. So all that would need to be done is to mandate all U.S. citizens to have to carry it.

With this requirement in place, illegal immigration will be severely curtailed. At the same time since everyone is forced to carry national ID and subject to inspection, everyone is treated equally and no one can feel being singled out because of race.
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Old 06-16-2010, 10:49 PM
 
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i think that's the only solution
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Old 06-16-2010, 10:53 PM
 
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Yep. It will cut down on fake IDs and identity theft. They also need to be biometric.

But, that would be considered "Big Brother" and unconstitutional.

Not that it's any different than a driver's license...
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Old 06-17-2010, 12:04 AM
 
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Yep. It will cut down on fake IDs and identity theft. They also need to be biometric.

But, that would be considered "Big Brother" and unconstitutional.

Not that it's any different than a driver's license...
I agree 100% Its time for all that fake ID bs to go. WE ALL need to be here legally and I would be happy to carry a card as long as the essays putting on the roof of neighbors house also have one,,,yes sir
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Old 06-17-2010, 06:46 AM
 
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Agreed, I think it's time for a mandatory national ID card. It would go a very long way towards improving internal security and combating illegal immigration, terrorism, and the rampant use of fake ID's.
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Old 06-17-2010, 07:13 AM
 
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Most countries require its citizens and permanent residents to carry national ID cards at all times. In the United States this is only required of permanent residents and not citizens.

To combat illegal immigration while treating everyone equally and avoiding "racial profiling", perhaps we should do what many other countries do which is make it compulsory for everyone to carry one's identity card at all times when in public areas and to produce it when requested by a police or immigration officer during a lawful stop (such as a traffic violation, etc).

Since permanent legal residents already have to carry the "green card" at all times, we simply need to mandate that U.S citizens also have to carry their "passport card" as well. For those who don't know, the U.S. issues the passport card to any American citizen upon voluntary application. So all that would need to be done is to mandate all U.S. citizens to have to carry it.

With this requirement in place, illegal immigration will be severely curtailed. At the same time since everyone is forced to carry national ID and subject to inspection, everyone is treated equally and no one can feel being singled out because of race.
There are so many ways to deal with illegal immigrants. There's really no need for a National ID.
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Old 06-17-2010, 07:24 AM
 
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There are so many ways to deal with illegal immigrants. There's really no need for a National ID.
I disagree. A national I.D. card with biometrics in it would stop a lot of fraud and help deter illegal immigration immensely. It would be just one of the tools used to deal with illegal aliens but a very vital one.
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Old 06-17-2010, 08:25 AM
 
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There are so many ways to deal with illegal immigrants. There's really no need for a National ID.
you need an id to buy many things
even those ppl who dont drive
so i am ok with an national id card
i think new dls would work
with there bio strips
as national id cards
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Old 06-17-2010, 09:12 AM
 
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Enlighten me, please.

In business such as restaurants, it's all cash based, they don't care you have ID or not.
In hospital, they don't check your immigration status
In jail, they don't check your immigration status
At school, they don't check your immigration status

How is an ID going to help when nobody checks?
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Old 06-17-2010, 01:44 PM
 
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Enlighten me, please.

In business such as restaurants, it's all cash based, they don't care you have ID or not.
In hospital, they don't check your immigration status
In jail, they don't check your immigration status
At school, they don't check your immigration status

How is an ID going to help when nobody checks?
The point with this proposal is two-fold:
1) Everyone regardless of citizenship status would be required to have national ID with them. For citizens, this already is available in the form of the passport card.
2) ID would then be checked at appropriate moments such as lawful traffic stop, stop registration, etc etc.

You need to have BOTH though. If citizens don't need to carry ID, then any kind of ID check is worthless since most people are citizens and won't have ID to check. Thus you need to compel everyone to carry it. And once everyone carries it, the appropriate authorities can check anyone's ID at all times regardless so no issues of racial profiling or unfairness since EVERYONE is checked during appropriate times.
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