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Old 06-22-2010, 12:17 AM
 
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She would and should have been deported, if it wasn't for the disease.

Yes, she did commit fraud, but is torture (deporting a person with a painful disease to a country that cannot treat it is torture) a just punishment for that? Or if she would die from that disease if you deported her... would that be fair and just?

We could have the lady stay here, but then prosecute her for fraud and imprison her, while she still gets treatment for her disease.

BTW, Cathy, she's a special case. If you are talking about "another of the many parasites and leeches" - forget about her and think about a more typical case. Since she's staying here, ask for prosecution and imprisonment for fraud. That is just, yes?

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How is it fair that she overstays her visa, gets subsidized housing that should have gone to an AMERICAN, and we get stuck with her medical expenses on top of that? That is just adding insult to injury.

She is just another of the many parasites and leeches that come here to get all they can out of sappy Americans who don't have the cojones to stand up for our country and what is right for US.
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Old 06-22-2010, 01:27 AM
 
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You'd think Obama could afford to support her, rather than have her be a burden on taxpayers. How great does that look---the president's aunt living in subsidized housing on welfare?

Why would she be a target of tribal violence in Kenya? The rest of the family there seems to be doing ok. As a matter of fact, I understand they consider it quite an honor to be related to the president.

I suspect she was allowed to stay in order to keep her from creating a scene, and embarrasing the administration.
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Old 06-22-2010, 11:54 AM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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This just in: "President George W. Bush has an aunt living in a public housing project rent free. She also has been on welfare for many years, and the tax payers are paying for all of her free medical care. The president and his family are declining to contribute to her upkeep"

Obviously an imaginary news story. But can you imagine the firestorm of hate and vitriol that would spew forth over such a state of affairs. It would be so massive he would have had to step forward and support her. But even then, the damage would have been done and it would have been another nail in the coffin of his political legacy.

I say this as someone who never voted for Bush and consider him to be one of the worst presidents we have had. But Obama has gotten a free pass on this one from the media. It shows that there is one standard for Republicans, conservatives, and other Americans not of the "enlightened" elite, and another standard for the establishment "progressives" who see themselves as the natural philospher-king rulers of this country.
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Old 06-22-2010, 06:23 PM
 
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She would and should have been deported, if it wasn't for the disease.

Yes, she did commit fraud, but is torture (deporting a person with a painful disease to a country that cannot treat it is torture) a just punishment for that? Or if she would die from that disease if you deported her... would that be fair and just?

We could have the lady stay here, but then prosecute her for fraud and imprison her, while she still gets treatment for her disease.

BTW, Cathy, she's a special case. If you are talking about "another of the many parasites and leeches" - forget about her and think about a more typical case. Since she's staying here, ask for prosecution and imprisonment for fraud. That is just, yes?
I guess we are just going to have to agree to disagree here, Vicman.

For all we know, her disease could be trumped up in order to gain sympathy. Guillian-Barre is very rare and can be expensive to treat.

As one other poster mentioned, she was probably kept quiet in order not to embarrass Hussein Obama. There is nothing fair or just about any of this.
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Old 06-22-2010, 08:52 PM
 
Location: AZ
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Obama's aunt given OK to stay in United States - Local News Updates - MetroDesk - The Boston Globe

"In February, Wong said Onyango would testify that she should stay in this country because she suffers health problems and because she feared that she would become the target of tribal violence if she were forced to return to her homeland. Onyango suffers from Guillain-Barre syndrome, an autoimmune disorder."

How easy is it to get treatment for Guillain-Barre in Kenya?

Obviously you don't live in Mass. and it's not coming out of your pocket! I always have to laugh when someone supports illegals but when it actually affects them it's a whole different story. If you're so concerned why don't you take her in and pay for her with you own money!!
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Old 06-22-2010, 09:10 PM
 
Location: Oklahoma(formerly SoCalif) Originally Mich,
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Obviously you don't live in Mass. and it's not coming out of your pocket! I always have to laugh when someone supports illegals but when it actually affects them it's a whole different story. If you're so concerned why don't you take her in and pay for her with you own money!!
Exactly..
And if you think about it........... those whose support illegals, support them with words and other peoples money.
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Old 06-22-2010, 10:38 PM
 
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"For all we know, her disease could be trumped up in order to gain sympathy. " - I doubt that the federal court system would be tricked into overestimating a disease, especially with ample medical documentation that could be reviewed by the courts. I think "very rare and can be expensive to treat" should tell you why she's staying here. If Kenya is not capable of treating this disease, we have no choice but to keep her here, and there is nothing anyone can do about it.

It is totally inappropriate to use the name "Hussein" as an insult towards Obama. It carries the wrong connotations. This should be not tolerated by the City-data community.

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I guess we are just going to have to agree to disagree here, Vicman.

For all we know, her disease could be trumped up in order to gain sympathy. Guillian-Barre is very rare and can be expensive to treat.

As one other poster mentioned, she was probably kept quiet in order not to embarrass Hussein Obama. There is nothing fair or just about any of this.
It would be possible, but would it be fair?

Also family members are not always in close contact or on the best terms. Look at how Abdulmutallab is getting his defense from the state; his wealthy father in Nigeria is not giving any legal assistance to his son. Usually if family members do really embarrassing things, it doesn't pull family together, it pulls them apart.

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You'd think Obama could afford to support her, rather than have her be a burden on taxpayers. How great does that look---the president's aunt living in subsidized housing on welfare?
Gixxer: From my understanding the housing project situation in Mass. is due to a court order from the feds. It may actually be better to not be from Mass. as I can determine from a rational perspective what is the best choice, without any baggage or any prejudice for any side. The "best" choice for the country as a whole and for our long term reputation may be detrimental to Massachusetts in a way, but sometimes one just has to take it.

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Obviously you don't live in Mass. and it's not coming out of your pocket! I always have to laugh when someone supports illegals but when it actually affects them it's a whole different story. If you're so concerned why don't you take her in and pay for her with you own money!!
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Old 06-23-2010, 07:54 AM
 
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I say this as someone who never voted for Bush and consider him to be one of the worst presidents we have had. But Obama has gotten a free pass on this one from the media. It shows that there is one standard for Republicans, conservatives, and other Americans not of the "enlightened" elite, and another standard for the establishment "progressives" who see themselves as the natural philospher-king rulers of this country.


You got it.

Too bad so many others don't.

Rep points for you.
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Old 06-23-2010, 11:35 AM
 
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How is Obama responsible for the behavior of one of his relatives? She isn't one of his minor children. She is an adult who can make her own choices.

From what I see in the media, Cathy, Steve King is perhaps the only politician who is putting blame on Obama for the granting of asylum: Steve King wants Obama aunt to testify to Congress - War Room - Salon.com = This article has some editorializing from Alex Pareene of Salon, but it also states exactly how King is reasoning his statements.

If Obama had been truly responsible for his aunt's behavior or for the grant of asylum, then I think more politicians would be speaking up against him.

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You got it.

Too bad so many others don't.

Rep points for you.
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Old 06-23-2010, 08:19 PM
 
Location: Where I live.
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How is Obama responsible for the behavior of one of his relatives? She isn't one of his minor children. She is an adult who can make her own choices.

From what I see in the media, Cathy, Steve King is perhaps the only politician who is putting blame on Obama for the granting of asylum: Steve King wants Obama aunt to testify to Congress - War Room - Salon.com = This article has some editorializing from Alex Pareene of Salon, but it also states exactly how King is reasoning his statements.

If Obama had been truly responsible for his aunt's behavior or for the grant of asylum, then I think more politicians would be speaking up against him.
She's only 57 years old?? OMG. I'm going to be sick....

That means that we are going to be stuck with her medical care and room and board for years on end.

BHO isn't directly responsible for his aunt's behavior, but they COULD step up and sponsor her. But they aren't about to do that.

She was denied asylum before BHO was elected. So why was she granted same last month? What is that besides favoritism? She became very well known after he was elected, correct?
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