Obama Adm.to possibly sue over Arizona Law. (middle east, illegal immigrants, Clinton)

[mauiwowie]

Originally Posted by mkfarnam

SB 1079 doesn't create any new Laws. It re-enforces laws that already exist.

False. Read the bill http://www.azleg.gov/alispdfs/council/SB1070-HB2162.PDF

[citizenkane2]

And people thought George Bush was a DIVIDER.

I swear...I've never seen it this bad on so many levels and issues!

[mkfarnam]

Originally Posted by mauiwowie

False. Read the bill http://www.azleg.gov/alispdfs/council/SB1070-HB2162.PDF

You show me any new laws that aren't already on the books.

[mkfarnam]

Originally Posted by citizenkane2

And people thought George Bush was a DIVIDER.

I swear...I've never seen it this bad on so many levels and issues!

They're "changes you can believes in"

[mauiwowie]

Originally Posted by mkfarnam

You show me any new laws that aren't already on the books.

Sec. 3 Amending Title 13 Chapter 15 of ARS to include 13-1509

H. A VIOLATION OF THIS SECTION IS A CLASS 1 MISDEMEANOR, EXCEPT
33 THAT THE MAXIMUM FINE IS ONE HUNDRED DOLLARS AND FOR A FIRST VIOLATION OF
34 THIS SECTION IS: THE COURT SHALL NOT SENTENCE THE PERSON TO MORE THAN
35 TWENTY DAYS IN JAIL AND FOR A SECOND OR SUBSEQUENT VIOLATION THE COURT
36 SHALL NOT SENTENCE THE PERSON TO MORE THAN THIRTY DAYS IN JAIL.

This text refers to earlier parts of the section in prescribing the penalty for a violation of this state law in (A) of 13-1509.

This exists nowhere else which is what I've been saying. Now, I believe this much is generally stipulated.

[tulani]

Originally Posted by mauiwowie

Sec. 3 Amending Title 13 Chapter 15 of ARS to include 13-1509



This text refers to earlier parts of the section in prescribing the penalty for a violation of this state law in (A) of 13-1509.

This exists nowhere else which is what I've been saying. Now, I believe this much is generally stipulated.

Didn't take but a second to find this:
Section 1325 [of Title 8, Chapter 12, Subchapter II, Part VIII]. [U.S. Code as of: 01/06/03]
Improper entry by alien
(a) Improper time or place; avoidance of examination or inspection;
misrepresentation and concealment of facts
Any alien who (1) enters or attempts to enter the United States
at any time or place other than as designated by immigration
officers, or (2) eludes examination or inspection by immigration
officers, or (3) attempts to enter or obtains entry to the United
States by a willfully false or misleading representation or the
willful concealment of a material fact, shall, for the first
commission of any such offense, be fined under title 18 or
imprisoned not more than 6 months, or both, and, for a subsequent
commission of any such offense, be fined under title 18, or
imprisoned not more than 2 years, or both.
(b) Improper time or place; civil penalties
Any alien who is apprehended while entering (or attempting to
enter) the United States at a time or place other than as
designated by immigration officers shall be subject to a civil
penalty of -
(1) at least $50 and not more than $250 for each such entry (or
attempted entry); or
(2) twice the amount specified in paragraph (1) in the case of
an alien who has been previously subject to a civil penalty under
this subsection.
Civil penalties under this subsection are in addition to, and not
in lieu of, any criminal or other civil penalties that may be
imposed.

[mauiwowie]

Originally Posted by tulani

Didn't take but a second to find this:
Section 1325 [of Title 8, Chapter 12, Subchapter II, Part VIII]. [U.S. Code as of: 01/06/03]
Improper entry by alien
(a) Improper time or place; avoidance of examination or inspection;
misrepresentation and concealment of facts
Any alien who (1) enters or attempts to enter the United States
at any time or place other than as designated by immigration
officers, or (2) eludes examination or inspection by immigration
officers, or (3) attempts to enter or obtains entry to the United
States by a willfully false or misleading representation or the
willful concealment of a material fact, shall, for the first
commission of any such offense, be fined under title 18 or
imprisoned not more than 6 months, or both, and, for a subsequent
commission of any such offense, be fined under title 18, or
imprisoned not more than 2 years, or both.
(b) Improper time or place; civil penalties
Any alien who is apprehended while entering (or attempting to
enter) the United States at a time or place other than as
designated by immigration officers shall be subject to a civil
penalty of -
(1) at least $50 and not more than $250 for each such entry (or
attempted entry); or
(2) twice the amount specified in paragraph (1) in the case of
an alien who has been previously subject to a civil penalty under
this subsection.
Civil penalties under this subsection are in addition to, and not
in lieu of, any criminal or other civil penalties that may be
imposed.

That isn't relevant to the AZ STATE crime enshrined in SB 1070. The penalties to which the INA refers are Federal.

With 1070 you are guilty of an AZ STATE CRIME and pay a fine to AZ and spend time in and AZ jail.

[tulani]

Originally Posted by mauiwowie

That isn't relevant to the AZ STATE crime enshrined in SB 1070. The penalties to which the INA refers are Federal.

With 1070 you are guilty of an AZ STATE CRIME and pay a fine to AZ and spend time in and AZ jail.

You argued that the AZ law was a NEW law. I am pointing out that it IS a federal law already.
And you need to stop calling the law 1070... it's been modified and has a new number. (which I can't remember off hand)
States have the right to enforce federal law. However, our government wants to pick and choose which federal laws they want the states to enforce. It's perfectly fine for local LE to go after drug dealers and users (a Federal crime), but they can't touch illegals?
Total BS!

[NYRangers 2008]

Originally Posted by california-jewel

The whole lot of this administration and this Preisdent, are a bunch of complete and utter morons, and please no excuses made for the bums! How can one sue a State that has enacted the law the the stupid Federal Government should be upholding anyways! I am more then convinced the Kool-Aid that was drunk, was definitely spiked with something. He needs to go and now. My opinion only, don't have to like it nor me yours.

I agree. The worst president ever in our history. The guy doesn't have a clue and boy, he's handling the whole BP mess really well!!!

[antarez]

Originally Posted by NYRangers 2008

I agree. The worst president ever in our history. The guy doesn't have a clue and boy, he's handling the whole BP mess really well!!!

I agree and His inept supporters only have either the Race Card to play or their standard go to excuse " It's all Bush's Fault". What an F en joke. He should be impeached and tried for treason.