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Old 06-23-2010, 02:45 PM
 
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We should also concern ourselves by not splitting hairs.

Mexico is not suing Arizona, however Mexico has involved itself with the lawsuit via an amicus brief. By doing so Mexico will help the lawsuit by providing documents that it feels will help its side to possibly testifying in court and yes...even giving a formal closing argument (though that is apparently very rare.)

Let's stop pretending that an amicus brief is the equivelant of signing a petition. It's not.
I'm neither splitting hairs nor pretending an amicus is signing a petition. I'm calling for the truth no more no less.

If we want to discuss what an amicus is and how it may be used, then I think you and I agree to that. Certainly, the courts have used information in amicus curiae to help reach judgments.

Like I said, Mexico is an interested party. I appreciate that you are willing to tell the truth.
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Old 06-23-2010, 02:48 PM
 
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Once we've left the realm of reason, then anything goes. We should concern ourselves with the truth.
I don't think millions of illegal aliens care about the truth.
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Old 06-23-2010, 02:57 PM
 
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I don't think millions of illegal aliens care about the truth.
But millions of Americans do.
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Old 06-23-2010, 03:04 PM
 
Location: SouthCentral Texas
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2 wrongs dont maka a right.

it was only a matter of time before someone pulled the b b b but bush.. card.
what are the two wrongs? mexico has no legal foothold in this country...they may file a "friend of the court" brief against the arizona law...which has about much legal tender as those cities that passed resolutions backing Arizona.

Mexico can not bring any law suit to a US court unless the Country of Mexico is somehow harmed by an entity here in the US...The Arizona law does have any effect on Mexico what so ever.
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Old 06-23-2010, 03:22 PM
 
Location: Texas
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what are the two wrongs? mexico has no legal foothold in this country...they may file a "friend of the court" brief against the arizona law...which has about much legal tender as those cities that passed resolutions backing Arizona.

Mexico can not bring any law suit to a US court unless the Country of Mexico is somehow harmed by an entity here in the US...The Arizona law does have any effect on Mexico what so ever.
oh I see, no effect on Mexico what so ever

its economic, some don't see the forest for the trees

Mexico's remittances down 12 pct in 1st quarter - BusinessWeek
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Old 06-23-2010, 03:24 PM
 
Location: Texas
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Tuco is right though. An amicus brief does not make one a plaintiff. The headlines are misleading and whether from ignorance or willful deception some are claiming that Mexico has filed suit, which is erroneous.
correct as I said in another thread, but no sense in name calling or bad mouthing others
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Old 06-23-2010, 03:29 PM
 
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oh I see, no effect on Mexico what so ever

its economic, some don't see the forest for the trees

Mexico's remittances down 12 pct in 1st quarter - BusinessWeek
The economic effect explains Mexico's interest. But they can't file a lawsuit unless they have standing. The economic effect that is the result of the illegal actions of their citizens can't be used to establish standing. Countries that have citizens who are involved in the drug trade, for instance, cannot sue the United States because our drug laws would negatively impact the illegal actions of their citizens. Criminality cannot be used to establish standing. However, foreign countries can have an interest in US law cases and can file briefs explaining their interest and position in lawsuits.
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Old 06-23-2010, 06:30 PM
 
Location: Western North Carolina
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This absolutly blew my mind when I saw the article in USA Today this morning. Absolutely unbelievable.
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Old 06-23-2010, 07:12 PM
 
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But millions of Americans do.
yep
milions of americans
now know bout tha ilegal alien menice
an nor an mor of us want em gone
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Old 06-23-2010, 07:28 PM
 
Location: San Diego North County
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The states have absolutely NO power, except on issues about which the federal government has remained mute.

Amendment 10
The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor
prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to
the people.


The federal government is not mute on matters of due process for persons suspected of a crime. Therefore, on such matters, the states are powerless. 28 words. Why doesn't anybody read them?
Wrong...settled case.

States and local police may enforce criminal provisions of federal immigration law. See Gonzales v. City of Peoria (AZ), 722 F.2d 468 (9th Cir. 1983). The Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals affirmed in Gonzales v. City of Peoria that “nothing in federal law precluded…police from enforcing the criminal provisions of the Immigration and Naturalization Act.” It is well established that state and local police possess the inherent authority to arrest aliens who have violated the criminal provisions of federal immigration law. Said alien is then turned over to U.S. Customs and Border Protection, or a law enforcement officer authorized by the federal government to verify immigration status. A.R.S. 11- 1051(E).
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