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Old 07-01-2010, 06:35 AM
 
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There's something very wrong with this mindset of hate, but in an economy just recovering from the stench, bloodshed and greed of the 8 years before this administraton, I suppose all one can do is pick on illegal Hispanics. I too believe they should be legalized and as soon as possible, but not the ones who aren't working, nor those who have committed crimes other than being here. They aren't taking anyone's jobs either. If you truly believe that, then please post a credible link as proof.
OMG, So it's only ok to HATE the lazy ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS

Maybe we should weed out the week ones and send them to the gas chambers like the nazi's did to the Jews! OOOHHH YEA!, there is no HATE in your mesage!!!


Wanting this federal government to live up to its responsibilities and enforce the LAWS is NOT hate..

yes most of the attention is directed at the Mexican Illegal Immigrant because of the overwhelmingly representation of this... but make no mistake.. it is NOT about race... It is about laws..

Now I believe it IS about race on the left.. they love ignoring immigration laws from people with dark skin and from 3rd world countries with little or no education..

But if there was a mass illegal Immigration from europe of white edcucated folk who wanted to work and vote republican then you would see them stand up and cry..

THIS is about power and money and control..... NOT about right and wrong.. You are on the wrong side of the issue!!
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Old 07-01-2010, 07:09 AM
 
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There's something very wrong with this mindset of hate, but in an economy just recovering from the stench, bloodshed and greed of the 8 years before this administraton, I suppose all one can do is pick on illegal Hispanics. I too believe they should be legalized and as soon as possible, but not the ones who aren't working, nor those who have committed crimes other than being here. They aren't taking anyone's jobs either. If you truly believe that, then please post a credible link as proof.

Additionally, who caused the economic disaster we are facing? Did someone say illegals? Try some American terms such as subprime mortgages, Maddow, and shall I go on? Or shall I add BP to the list? I can actually provide a link if you want. Hispanic people are hard workers, deeply religious, love the family unit, and only want what we all do, which is make a good living, send our kids to college and be a productive member of society. Did they go about it the right way? No. But with such incredibly long waiting lists to get into this country, they didn't want to take that chance. Don't forget, their country is in a state of violence and drug murders, (much of which was supported and instigated by American drug pushers) why would any of you want to send them back there? Do I believe we need to stop the flow coming in? Hell yes! Touching on how illegals don't contribute to our economy, it's true the illegals may not pay taxes, but they do buy their groceries here, they do pay utilities, purchase autos, gasoline, buy homes, go out to eat, etc. This money goes into our economy. So, they aren't living here scott free at all. But, now thanks to Fremont, they will be, because they won't be able to find work or a place to live, and instead of leaving the country, they will just flood the Social Services there. You know why? Because their American children have the right to food stamps, medical care, schooling, and a place to live and it's all going to be for free now Not such a smart move after all Fremont.
it dont matter
we dont need more bs
from ppl who dont belong in tha usa
ilegal aliens go home an take your anxchor babys
all tha mor reason to stop birthright citizneship
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Old 07-01-2010, 07:37 AM
 
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There's something very wrong with this mindset of hate, but in an economy just recovering from the stench, bloodshed and greed of the 8 years before this administraton, I suppose all one can do is pick on illegal Hispanics. I too believe they should be legalized and as soon as possible, but not the ones who aren't working, nor those who have committed crimes other than being here. They aren't taking anyone's jobs either. If you truly believe that, then please post a credible link as proof.

Additionally, who caused the economic disaster we are facing? Did someone say illegals? Try some American terms such as subprime mortgages, Maddow, and shall I go on? Or shall I add BP to the list? I can actually provide a link if you want. Hispanic people are hard workers, deeply religious, love the family unit, and only want what we all do, which is make a good living, send our kids to college and be a productive member of society. Did they go about it the right way? No. But with such incredibly long waiting lists to get into this country, they didn't want to take that chance. Don't forget, their country is in a state of violence and drug murders, (much of which was supported and instigated by American drug pushers) why would any of you want to send them back there? Do I believe we need to stop the flow coming in? Hell yes! Touching on how illegals don't contribute to our economy, it's true the illegals may not pay taxes, but they do buy their groceries here, they do pay utilities, purchase autos, gasoline, buy homes, go out to eat, etc. This money goes into our economy. So, they aren't living here scott free at all. But, now thanks to Fremont, they will be, because they won't be able to find work or a place to live, and instead of leaving the country, they will just flood the Social Services there. You know why? Because their American children have the right to food stamps, medical care, schooling, and a place to live and it's all going to be for free now Not such a smart move after all Fremont.
Hate has nothing to do with objecting to illegal immigration and it gets tiring hearing that word and racism being tossed around by the illegal alien sympathizers.

Most of what you mentioned whether there be any truth to your stats or not are irrelevant. The bottom line is that we have immigration laws and they most be followed by potential immigrants. There is no justification for violating them and no justification for rewarding illegals for violating them.
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Old 07-01-2010, 09:24 AM
 
Location: Oklahoma(formerly SoCalif) Originally Mich,
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There's something very wrong with this mindset of hate, but in an economy just recovering from the stench, bloodshed and greed of the 8 years before this administraton, I suppose all one can do is pick on illegal Hispanics. I too believe they should be legalized and as soon as possible, but not the ones who aren't working, nor those who have committed crimes other than being here. They aren't taking anyone's jobs either. If you truly believe that, then please post a credible link as proof.

Additionally, who caused the economic disaster we are facing? Did someone say illegals? Try some American terms such as subprime mortgages, Maddow, and shall I go on? Or shall I add BP to the list? I can actually provide a link if you want. Hispanic people are hard workers, deeply religious, love the family unit, and only want what we all do, which is make a good living, send our kids to college and be a productive member of society. Did they go about it the right way? No. But with such incredibly long waiting lists to get into this country, they didn't want to take that chance. Don't forget, their country is in a state of violence and drug murders, (much of which was supported and instigated by American drug pushers) why would any of you want to send them back there? Do I believe we need to stop the flow coming in? Hell yes! Touching on how illegals don't contribute to our economy, it's true the illegals may not pay taxes, but they do buy their groceries here, they do pay utilities, purchase autos, gasoline, buy homes, go out to eat, etc. This money goes into our economy. So, they aren't living here scott free at all. But, now thanks to Fremont, they will be, because they won't be able to find work or a place to live, and instead of leaving the country, they will just flood the Social Services there. You know why? Because their American children have the right to food stamps, medical care, schooling, and a place to live and it's all going to be for free now Not such a smart move after all Fremont.
Man...you are way behind in life. It's obvious that you aren't effected by illegal immigration, so you don't keep up with what goes on in this country,
Any "credible link of proof" you want can be found right here on this forum.

You call us "haters" because we ARE effected by illegals and we're against their illegal way of living in our country because it effects our Families, homes and our legal way of life.
Yet they can go on TV, form deminstrations and proudly admitt that they HATE Americans and say they're unAmerican and they want this country back,
But that's alright with you.

You need a taste of reality. You also need to get a life because your alarm clock is about ring off the wall when you least excpect it.

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Old 07-01-2010, 11:21 AM
 
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Wink I've seen the light!

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There's something very wrong with this mindset of hate, but in an economy just recovering from the stench, bloodshed and greed of the 8 years before this administraton, I suppose all one can do is pick on illegal Hispanics. I too believe they should be legalized and as soon as possible, but not the ones who aren't working, nor those who have committed crimes other than being here. They aren't taking anyone's jobs either. If you truly believe that, then please post a credible link as proof.

Additionally, who caused the economic disaster we are facing? Did someone say illegals? Try some American terms such as subprime mortgages, Maddow, and shall I go on? Or shall I add BP to the list? I can actually provide a link if you want. Hispanic people are hard workers, deeply religious, love the family unit, and only want what we all do, which is make a good living, send our kids to college and be a productive member of society. Did they go about it the right way? No. But with such incredibly long waiting lists to get into this country, they didn't want to take that chance. Don't forget, their country is in a state of violence and drug murders, (much of which was supported and instigated by American drug pushers) why would any of you want to send them back there? Do I believe we need to stop the flow coming in? Hell yes! Touching on how illegals don't contribute to our economy, it's true the illegals may not pay taxes, but they do buy their groceries here, they do pay utilities, purchase autos, gasoline, buy homes, go out to eat, etc. This money goes into our economy. So, they aren't living here scott free at all. But, now thanks to Fremont, they will be, because they won't be able to find work or a place to live, and instead of leaving the country, they will just flood the Social Services there. You know why? Because their American children have the right to food stamps, medical care, schooling, and a place to live and it's all going to be for free now Not such a smart move after all Fremont.
Ok, let me see if I understand...we're heartless and racist and plain old mean if we want those here illegally deported because they're hard working , they pay (some) taxes and they just want what we have. Besides, their country is full of drug murderers and violence. Gotcha! I've seen the light.
In the next sentence you state that "Hell yes!" we need to stop the incoming flow...now HOW can you possibly justify that if the reasons they want to come are the same ones you used to justify the illegals here already? Now who's heartless? Racist? Plain old mean?! How can you deny ALL of the world's poor to show up on our doorstep? Aren't they just as deserving?
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Old 07-01-2010, 12:00 PM
 
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I don't care,sticks & stones. I voted for Obama, but his total refusal to listen to the overwhelming majority of ALL Americans on the issue of illegal immigrants really ticks me off.
Actually one needs to consider the viewpoints of all parties. Sometimes the minority may have a legitimate problem with a proposal.

And we are not a "mob rule" country. The constitution was deliberately set up to be the ultimate authority. The people do not have direct rule for a good reason, and the founding fathers purposefully set it up that way.

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Be careful you will be called a racist by the illegal loving anti American Obamabots.

Wonder if team Hate-America Obama will file a lawsuit to keep this town from protecting its citizens from the illegal terrorist trespassers?

Operation deport the illegal terrorist criminals is beginning.
I say that the attitude that the other side is "unAmerican" is, under most circumstances, contrary to good political practice. I understand that adversity in American politics leads to compromise. But it is hard to do that when there are outlandish accusations lobbied against the two sides.
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Old 07-01-2010, 12:29 PM
 
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Actually one needs to consider the viewpoints of all parties. Sometimes the minority may have a legitimate problem with a proposal.

And we are not a "mob rule" country. The constitution was deliberately set up to be the ultimate authority. The people do not have direct rule for a good reason, and the founding fathers purposefully set it up that way.



I say that the attitude that the other side is "unAmerican" is, under most circumstances, contrary to good political practice. I understand that adversity in American politics leads to compromise. But it is hard to do that when there are outlandish accusations lobbied against the two sides.
The majority rules in this country. That is what a democracy is all about. Too bad many of our politicans have forgotten that. Placating the desires of the minority while ignoring the will of the majority is not what this country is all about.
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Old 07-01-2010, 01:18 PM
 
Location: Oklahoma(formerly SoCalif) Originally Mich,
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The majority rules in this country. That is what a democracy is all about. Too bad many of our politicans have forgotten that. Placating the desires of the minority while ignoring the will of the majority is not what this country is all about.
There's consequences for that too.
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Old 07-01-2010, 03:37 PM
 
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Chicagonut, the U.S. constitution rules this country. The majority does not rule.

The founding fathers (especially those on the "federalist" side) realized that sometimes the majority of people in a country can make an incorrect and inappropriate decision that can harm a minority of people, hence "tyranny of the majority." Many at the time were afraid of direct rule by citizenry. This is why they specified indirect rule through checks and balances. This is why the US Supreme Court is unelected, so it is not influenced by the will of people.

I am not saying that the federalists were always right, or that the democrat-republicans were always right. They worked together and formed the Constitution, which has a basic principle that the people do not directly rule like in a Greek democracy.

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The majority rules in this country. That is what a democracy is all about. Too bad many of our politicans have forgotten that. Placating the desires of the minority while ignoring the will of the majority is not what this country is all about.
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Old 07-01-2010, 03:51 PM
 
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Chicagonut, the U.S. constitution rules this country. The majority does not rule.

The founding fathers (especially those on the "federalist" side) realized that sometimes the majority of people in a country can make an incorrect and inappropriate decision that can harm a minority of people, hence "tyranny of the majority." Many at the time were afraid of direct rule by citizenry. This is why they specified indirect rule through checks and balances. This is why the US Supreme Court is unelected, so it is not influenced by the will of people.

I am not saying that the federalists were always right, or that the democrat-republicans were always right. They worked together and formed the Constitution, which has a basic principle that the people do not directly rule like in a Greek democracy.
You forget that we are also a nation of laws that are either voted on by the majority or those who represent us. In that case our government is obligated to follow them until or if they are changed. Just because some minority group doesn't like them is not sufficient reason to not abide by them or to change them.
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