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Old 06-27-2010, 04:40 PM
 
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It sounds just like what the White 'Christians' did to Native Americans. I don't take the initial poster as serious; I think he's being facetious.

If you want people to immigrate legally then beat those right wing politicians in the head. It's the corporation agriculture and meatpacking industries that actively RECRUIT, and hire them. Those industries know they have a labor pool that doesn't understand the language, and laws of the land. Easy to take advantage of, abuse, and still earn an extra dime.

A question for the people who are so against the Mexicans: Why are you attacking the people and NOT the source? Another question: Our borders have been wide open since 1492 with floods of illegal criminals getting off of their nasty, disease infested boats from Europe. Then of course, there were those Europeans who immigrated for a better life. And the people already in America screamed like banshees about them. Oh the Irish, oh the Germans (research what fat old Ben Franklin said about the Germans) oh the Italians (WAPS, anyone?) and on and on and on. Now, White America are crying about the Mexicans. Why are people screaming about Mexicans? Lastly, Mexicans only account for about 1/2 of the the people here illegally. The rest are from Europe and other parts of the world.

I'm Native American so I've been sitting back witnessing: What goes around comes around. You Mexican haters are going to lose the immigration battle. Trust me, just look at the American history from the perspective of the Indigenous. Once the flood starts there's no stopping flow.

If one wants to be serious about illegal immigration then overhaul the system. Devise a plan for amnesty. Develope a plan for guest workers where those guest workers are paid fairly, treated fairly, and the corporation agriculture and meatpacking industries have to tow the line. Develop a system that can track those who are here on visas.

Most who are screaming about Mexicans are not serious about truly repairing the immigration system and just want to whine.
There are three guilty parties in this illegal immigration mess and that is the employers, our government and the illegals themselves. We anti-illegals have complained about all three. The pro-illegals like yourself however don't want to place any blame on the illegals at all.

Oh come on now! How many times does it have to be repeated that the reason that Mexicans get most of the flack is because they are here overwhelmingly in the largest numbers illegally. Hate has nothing to do with it and I for one am sick of the race card pulling.

We have had immigration laws since the early 1900's and that is all that counts from that point forward. What happened prior to that is irrelevant. Yes, we can slow the flow down to a trickle if the right steps are taken. It appears though that you are liking this illegal invasion, why?

You say you are Native American. Is it a tribe indigenous to the USA? If not, why would you want an illegal invasion from the descendants of tribes from south of our border? We have treaties with those tribes who are indigenous to the USA. Most Mexican's native ancestors were from tribes not indigenous to the USA.

Why should we reward illegal aliens with amnesty? We did that once already and now we have at least 4 times as many illegals here today. We already have several guest worker programs. We have millions of Americans out of work and our population is burgening by over 300 million people already. Do you think we have unlimited resources to take in the whole world's poor and destitute? Our immigration quotas are already based on the our needs. Are we to change them to accomodate immigrants rather than the best interests of this country's citizens?

We do want e-verify and for visa holders to be tracked but do we ever get the cooperation of our government? No, they are more interested in money and votes than doing the right thing for this country. Our immigration system ain't broke it just isn't being enforced like it should be. Yet, the minute increased enforcement comes up the pro-illegals are the ones doing the whining.
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Old 07-07-2010, 05:51 PM
 
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Default The best solution of all for the "illegal" aliens

Why not register any and all undocumented aliens who are willing to contribute to the American economy? Each person who is willing to work in this country should be given the right to do so. If they are already here and not documented this gives them a chance to be legal without punishment.

Each undocumented worker would also have a background check to be sure they have no criminal record in their home country. If they pass that hurdle then they would be required to obtain a Social Security number. The next step would be to assess Federal and State income taxes on their wages. Reregistration would be required every ten years.

If, an undocumented worker is NOT willing to submit to the background check and not willing to register, they should be deported.

Employers would be given one year to register their workers or insure that the workers are already registered. Stiff fines would be lived on those employers who continue to use unregistered workers after the grace period.

Such a humane program would do two things: provide more revenue for federal, state and local governments; and allow those families who are arleady here to continue to work.
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Old 07-07-2010, 06:04 PM
 
Location: OCEAN BREEZES AND VIEWS SAN CLEMENTE
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Exactly

Why should they be able to stay when the've already committed a crime? If the tables were turned and we did this in Mexico do you think for one minute you'd be able to stay there? Round them up and ship them out,no matter where they came from!
One major problem with this! Our Federal Government doesn't seem to have a problem with illegals living in our Country. How do we convince them of something they should already know, are they dense or what. Why does it seem they don't mind keeping these illegals around, what is their agenda.
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Old 07-07-2010, 06:39 PM
 
Location: AZ
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One major problem with this! Our Federal Government doesn't seem to have a problem with illegals living in our Country. How do we convince them of something they should already know, are they dense or what. Why does it seem they don't mind keeping these illegals around, what is their agenda.


Their agenda...Votes!

They sold out the American people (both parties) for votes. Ask yourself one question,why would anyone spend MILLIONS of dollars for a job that pays $400,000 ? How can the federal government sue Az. for a law that they themselves hold,which is more strict than the Az. law. I'd love to think this was an open/shut case but with all the Liberal judges now,nothing would surprise me.
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Old 07-07-2010, 06:46 PM
 
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Why not register any and all undocumented aliens who are willing to contribute to the American economy? Each person who is willing to work in this country should be given the right to do so. If they are already here and not documented this gives them a chance to be legal without punishment.

Each undocumented worker would also have a background check to be sure they have no criminal record in their home country. If they pass that hurdle then they would be required to obtain a Social Security number. The next step would be to assess Federal and State income taxes on their wages. Reregistration would be required every ten years.

If, an undocumented worker is NOT willing to submit to the background check and not willing to register, they should be deported.

Employers would be given one year to register their workers or insure that the workers are already registered. Stiff fines would be lived on those employers who continue to use unregistered workers after the grace period.

Such a humane program would do two things: provide more revenue for federal, state and local governments; and allow those families who are arleady here to continue to work.
I disagree. There are millions of Americans who need the jobs that these illegals have taken. They aren't "undocumented" they are illegal aliens by the way.

Why should they be given the chance to become legal without punishment or to become legal at all? Many if not most have committed I.D. fraud to work in this country already and thumbed their noses at our immigration laws. There are millions more across the world who would be willing to work here. Are you saying we should let em all in as long as they are willing to work? Where do you think these jobs will come from?

Your plan is not a humane program for American citizens and afterall it is our country. This revenue you speak of would also come from citizens replacing illegal workers so that argument is moot.
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Old 07-07-2010, 07:51 PM
 
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I disagree. There are millions of Americans who need the jobs that these illegals have taken. They aren't "undocumented" they are illegal aliens by the way.

Why should they be given the chance to become legal without punishment or to become legal at all? Many if not most have committed I.D. fraud to work in this country already and thumbed their noses at our immigration laws. There are millions more across the world who would be willing to work here. Are you saying we should let em all in as long as they are willing to work? Where do you think these jobs will come from?

Your plan is not a humane program for American citizens and afterall it is our country. This revenue you speak of would also come from citizens replacing illegal workers so that argument is moot.
specialy in this recesion
an with unemployment going away
americans would be dancin in ths streets
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Old 07-07-2010, 10:45 PM
 
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<<If they were ALL sent back to Mexico,>>

LOL! I like that idea. Send them all to Mexico, and let Calderon sort them out.
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Old 07-07-2010, 10:59 PM
 
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<<Do you think your 100 buck or five buck contribution to Joe Blows campaign competes with Con-Agra? Iowa Beef? BP? Tyson? or any huge corporation. >>

All those large contributors do is by more air time/campaign ads for candidates. It's still one person, one vote. The thing to do is stop paying attention to all the expensive campaign ads, and check out the candidates' voting records on illegal immigration.
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Old 07-07-2010, 11:01 PM
 
Location: Oklahoma(formerly SoCalif) Originally Mich,
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<<If they were ALL sent back to Mexico,>>

LOL! I like that idea. Send them all to Mexico, and let Calderon sort them out.
Mass-Deportation would be a slow process.
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Old 07-08-2010, 12:53 AM
 
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They know we cant deport most of them . Why not start rounding them up and putting them in work camps. There they could work and earn enough to pay a heavy fine and all of their back taxes for years they didnt file or filed under a stolen ID...We like cheap labor dont we? This will be free labor. Then after several years of 'workin off their fine" they can be alowed to stay as probationary citizens.....This for for cash and paying no taxes BS will stop
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