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Old 06-28-2010, 11:33 AM
 
Location: San Diego
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The law hasnt even gone into effect yet, and a couple[2] people leaving proves what. If there were a mass exodus of undoucmented heading back to their respective homelands, the I would say the bill is working.

Even if SB1070 is passed and allowed to exist, how many [more] people do you think Arizona LEO will deport? WAIT...AZ 1070 is not about deporting aliens, its about arresting, trying and jailing aliens. Doesnt that cost MONEY? Tax dollars?

Wait till the first 5 year bills come in...when there are Thousands of aliens in jail...costing Arizona taxpayers Millions of dollars. Smart move for a broke state.

So Az is lucky this couple is leaving, so the State doesnt have to arrest and jail them on the taxpayer's dime.
For every dollar spent on enforcement there are many now open for the schools, medical facilities and roads that were being abused by these same people. If anything it will be a push.

Of course if these Illegals were such a precious commodity why aren't States fighting over who gets to keep the most? Oh, that's right, because they are a huge tax burden.
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Old 06-28-2010, 11:41 AM
 
Location: San Diego
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Don't forget to mention how they helped a poor kitten on the side of the road, and started passing out rainbows and sunshine to other motorists! Being an illegal alien means you have stories written about you where when you are prosecuted for your crime, you are a "victim".

Dear Arizona Republic - Please write stories about poor bank robbers whose lives were ruined by robbing banks.

"It was 2pm, Robert Jones left his shoddy apartment with one measly gun he managed to buy with the meager money he makes, heading for the local bank that refuses to honor him with free money"
Nice one I was expecting something like they saved Mother Teresa from some violent car crash in the next paragraph.

Illegal papers? The laundry list of crimes sensationalized in that story are rather incredible.
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Old 06-28-2010, 12:17 PM
 
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For every dollar spent on enforcement there are many now open for the schools, medical facilities and roads that were being abused by these same people. If anything it will be a push.

Of course if these Illegals were such a precious commodity why aren't States fighting over who gets to keep the most? Oh, that's right, because they are a huge tax burden.
Excellent point! If these illegals are such a plus to a state's economy then why are they making laws to keep them out of their states?
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Old 06-28-2010, 01:15 PM
 
Location: Verde Valley AZ
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Want to read an even sadder, more bittersweet story? Read The Dollmaker by Harriette Arnow. Fiction, about an American family's struggle in a new city.
More heartwarming, and touching than a story about illegal criminals that should not even be living in this country.
I've read that book...several times. Good story.
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Old 06-28-2010, 01:18 PM
 
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Even if SB1070 is passed and allowed to exist, how many [more] people do you think Arizona LEO will deport? WAIT...AZ 1070 is not about deporting aliens, its about arresting, trying and jailing aliens. Doesnt that cost MONEY? Tax dollars?

Wait till the first 5 year bills come in...when there are Thousands of aliens in jail...costing Arizona taxpayers Millions of dollars. Smart move for a broke state.

So Az is lucky this couple is leaving, so the State doesnt have to arrest and jail them on the taxpayer's dime.

It's about forcing ICE to do it's job. Arizona will only be arresting those illegal aliens that ICE refuses to take custody of. Happens every day, LEO has an Illegal detained and ICE is to busy or understaffed or just doesn't care and LEO has to turn them loose.

From the picture it looks like they value a more hospitable place to live over their sons life.
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Old 06-28-2010, 01:26 PM
 
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The feds currently owe AZ 750 million for back payment of housing illegals in jails.


Thats one state, one prison system.

Currently illegals cost AZ prisons 150 million per year. Thats just prison debt.

The Feds have racked up that 150mill/year debt to the current amount of $750 million.

Dont think thats going to get better anytime soon.
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Old 06-28-2010, 02:42 PM
 
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Yeah - the Republic completely fails at playing the heart strings

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Luis and Marlen, both 33, lived in Arizona for more than 15 years.
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Luis was 17 when he crossed the border illegally near Douglas. Marlen was 16 when she jumped a fence near Nogales.
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three children
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He earned $9.80 an hour. Marlen is a stay-at-home mom.
Luis got his jobs using fake papers.
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They toss a suitcase stuffed with clothes and a cooler filled with food.
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Luis and Marlen ended up throwing away most everything they owned. Televisions, VCRs, a stereo system, bedroom furniture, mattresses, dressers, a leather sofa, kitchen table - all dumped in the trash bins at their apartment complex.
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Luis and Marlen had told Vanessa that they would bring their Chihuahua, Brandy, and her puppies. On moving day, the 10-day-old puppies were still nursing. They hadn't opened their eyes.
Just before leaving, Luis and Marlen broke the news: The dogs would have to stay and would be given to another family.
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But in Iowa they have a scare. Driving east on Interstate 70, a blue Ford Crown Victoria pulls alongside the Jeep. Daniel's heart is pounding. The state trooper in the unmarked car is looking over at him and talking on his radio. The patrol car zooms ahead, pulling alongside the pickup. It's obvious the trooper is running the Arizona plates. The trooper seems like he is about to turn on his lights any second. But instead he speeds away.
At the next rest area, the pickup and the Jeep get off the highway.
Daniel tells Luis how nervous he was.
"It's best to stay calm," Luis tells him.
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At 9:45 p.m., Luis pulls into a rest area. He calls his brother, who says he should keep driving. Marlen thinks that is a bad idea. For the past half hour, Luis has been dozing off behind the wheel. She wants him to sleep. Luis is so tired he can hardly think. He spreads his map on the hood of the pickup. His brother tells him they are only 40 minutes away. But Luis' GPS, a going-away gift from a friend, and the map say they are more like 90 minutes away. Against Marlen's wishes, Luis keeps going.


Not sure why they would choose this couple to try and draw at the heart strings

I am sympathetic to those trying to enhance their lives and it sucks that children in general pay for the sins of the parents.

However, what I see here is someone who has violated the law for well over a decade. On top of that they go and have 3 kids and can somehow support a family of 5 on an income of approx $10/hr. Granted that is supplemented by side jobs - the cash variety that are off the grid, tax free, etc.

Despite this they can afford a nice F-150 and consultations with lawyers.

They also thought it was a good idea to get a dog and not be responsible enough to get it neutured or keep it from getting pregnant ... instead of taking on this responsibility they dumped 10 week old puppies .... nice.

About as nice as simply trashing all their personal belongings because they couldn't sell them. There are a ton of shelters/charitable organizations in the metro area that would of taken these items off their hands without asking any questions and put them to good use. But why try to give something back?

This attitude shows up again when they dump stuff on the road.

Then again, it's a good idea to keep pressing on when you are at nearing the end of a long road trip with little sleep and keep nodding off at the wheel.

The icing on this crumbling cake is the photo - great parenting - the caption states this was in IL, which is a pretty good distance into the road trip .... nothing like having a 2 year old lay in the front of a vehicle unrestrained while zooming down the freeway

Good riddance if you ask me
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Old 06-28-2010, 03:00 PM
 
Location: Oklahoma(formerly SoCalif) Originally Mich,
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This was in PA.
I have no doubt that the media, the ones who wrote the story paid for the whole trip and all expenses plus thousands more extra, just to get this story.








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Yeah - the Republic completely fails at playing the heart strings

Not sure why they would choose this couple to try and draw at the heart strings

I am sympathetic to those trying to enhance their lives and it sucks that children in general pay for the sins of the parents.

However, what I see here is someone who has violated the law for well over a decade. On top of that they go and have 3 kids and can somehow support a family of 5 on an income of approx $10/hr. Granted that is supplemented by side jobs - the cash variety that are off the grid, tax free, etc.

Despite this they can afford a nice F-150 and consultations with lawyers.

They also thought it was a good idea to get a dog and not be responsible enough to get it neutured or keep it from getting pregnant ... instead of taking on this responsibility they dumped 10 week old puppies .... nice.

About as nice as simply trashing all their personal belongings because they couldn't sell them. There are a ton of shelters/charitable organizations in the metro area that would of taken these items off their hands without asking any questions and put them to good use. But why try to give something back?

This attitude shows up again when they dump stuff on the road.

Then again, it's a good idea to keep pressing on when you are at nearing the end of a long road trip with little sleep and keep nodding off at the wheel.

The icing on this crumbling cake is the photo - great parenting - the caption states this was in IL, which is a pretty good distance into the road trip .... nothing like having a 2 year old lay in the front of a vehicle unrestrained while zooming down the freeway

Good riddance if you ask me
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Old 06-28-2010, 03:22 PM
 
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This was in PA.
I have no doubt that the media, the ones who wrote the story paid for the whole trip and all expenses plus thousands more extra, just to get this story.
I was coming home from Virginia one night and I pulled into a rest stop, and there I saw it. A whole Mexican family driving a F150 as well with 3 kids in the back and a whole lot of junk in the rear bed. They are EVERYWHERE, like rats
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Old 06-28-2010, 03:51 PM
 
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. . .

The icing on this crumbling cake is the photo - great parenting - the caption states this was in IL, which is a pretty good distance into the road trip .... nothing like having a 2 year old lay in the front of a vehicle unrestrained while zooming down the freeway

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...while nodding off at the wheel.
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