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Old 07-25-2010, 01:49 PM
 
Location: Pa
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The Council of Conservative Citizens is a white nationalist organization, just as an insight.
If a white supremacist group were protesting against a dangerous toxic waste dump that was poorly managed would their concerns be any less valid?
Illegals are a huge problem. A problem the FEd has grossly ignored for far too long. AZ has suffered greatly due to the FEDs weak approach to a very real problem.
I support their efforts and in spite of what some say the law does not target or allow for targeting anyone who hasn't first been stopped for a seperate violation.
In this case it sucks to be an illegal regardless of race or ethnic background. It should always suck to be a criminal.
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Old 07-25-2010, 09:13 PM
 
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I would think that the wealthy upper class wouldn't even be interested in re-locating to the U.S. so I am sure that it was Mexico's poor that overwhelmingly want to migrate here.
That was the case around 15 years ago. Due to the kidnappings and violence, many wealthy people are also going north.

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As for those of Mexican ancestry living here it could be both the upper and lower class that is of the opinion that their loyatlies should still remain to Mexico.
That may be a possibility. It would be interesting to conduct a poll on Mexican citizens and classify respondents based on race/ancestry, income, and/or social status
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Old 07-26-2010, 06:11 AM
 
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According to the report, neither would a recesion and bad economy haly illegal immigration. So, they will basically still come here even when they know jobs are unlikely to be found, which results in the increase in assistance towards impoverished illegal immigrants and them just hanging around looking for work. That's just what the US needs: more people without jobs.
More and more illegal immigrantion is not about jobs, they know our government will provide very well for them if they never work a day in their lives here. That's why our high unemployment rates are never mentioned in these reports, the illegals know all about the welfare handouts and how to access those programs.

If jobs mattered, you'd hear an illegal complain about lack of jobs at least once in a while.
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Old 08-01-2010, 01:25 PM
 
Location: SELA
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If a white supremacist group were protesting against a dangerous toxic waste dump that was poorly managed would their concerns be any less valid?
Oh, it's not a matter of a broken clock being right twice a day. It's a matter of shared white populist values between organizations like the Council, VDARE.com, and ostensibly "mainstream" anti-immigration organizations like the Minuteman Project.

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More and more illegal immigrantion is not about jobs, they know our government will provide very well for them if they never work a day in their lives here. That's why our high unemployment rates are never mentioned in these reports, the illegals know all about the welfare handouts and how to access those programs.
Illegal immigrants/undocumented residents have a higher employment rate than the U.S.-born population, so this comment doesn't seem very well-informed.
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Old 08-01-2010, 05:51 PM
 
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Oh, it's not a matter of a broken clock being right twice a day. It's a matter of shared white populist values between organizations like the Council, VDARE.com, and ostensibly "mainstream" anti-immigration organizations like the Minuteman Project.



Illegal immigrants/undocumented residents have a higher employment rate than the U.S.-born population, so this comment doesn't seem very well-informed.
There are no organizations that are anti-immigrant. Stop the lies and the propaganda!
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Old 08-01-2010, 09:49 PM
 
Location: Rockport Texas from El Paso
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The OP lacks integrity. "Would Consider" is far different from actually planning to move and the question was not about moving permanently.
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Old 08-01-2010, 10:34 PM
 
Location: Spokane via Sydney,Australia
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Illegal immigrants/undocumented residents have a higher employment rate than the U.S.-born population, so this comment doesn't seem very well-informed.

Illegals need to have a ZERO employment rate in a country that is NOT THEIRS!!!!

Comprende?
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Old 08-01-2010, 10:49 PM
 
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IMHO, if you want to come here and you do it illegally, you need to get deported. There are many people doing it the legal way -- why should they be hurt by illegals and amnesty. That is not racist, it is common sense.

If the first thing a person does is to break the law by entering the country illegally, should that person not be considered a criminal?

I am sure people from many nations would like to come here. If they can support themselves and come in like LEGAL immigrants have to by the LEGAL process, fine. let's not have people whose first act here is criminal just by coming illegally
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Old 08-02-2010, 07:27 AM
 
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Illegal immigrants/undocumented residents have a higher employment rate than the U.S.-born population, so this comment doesn't seem very well-informed.
Yes they do and that's a problem. They not only can take jobs - which they can take because employers of illegals aren't required to follow the wage and labor laws, they can pay their illegals less than minimum wage, they can save a lot of money because they don't have to pay them overtime. They don't have to pay into workman's comp or provide health care.

And illegals can come in unlimited numbers to unfairly compete with Americans for jobs. They actually do hurt the chances for legal immigrants to come because they make it easy for employers to avoid going through the steps to sponsor immigrants for true labor shortages. So illegals also unfairly compete with would be legal immigrants by avoiding the work visas and again because of their willingness to work for illegal wages and live off many government handouts to fill the gap between their low wages and the high cost of living in this country.
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Old 08-04-2010, 06:40 AM
 
Location: Maryland
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This is a completely different poll than the one mentioned by the OP. Has nothing to do with the fake poll cited. Nice try, but no cigar.


[url="http://www.cis.org/ZogbyPoll-EffectsOfAmnesty"]
An anti immigrant biased website. Like I said, the only websites that have access to this secret poll are biased right wing websites. No links to Zogby that originated on Zogby regarding the methodology. I wonder why? Because this poll doesn't exist.
It is clearly the same topic. I didn’t realize Pew is a white supremacist organization. Do tell.
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