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Old 07-09-2010, 07:44 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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OK, thanks for that. It may not be an obscure term but I'm more informed than like 90% of people and I'd never heard it. It's always helpful to include a definition or a link when trying to start a constructive discussion.

You know what, it comes down to disagreeing with federal policy. There were northern cities that refused to provide local law enforcement to enforce the fugitive slave laws. The City of Miami refused to provide law enforcement to assist in the repatriation of Elian Gonzales. These cities do not attempt to supersede Federal superiority in Immigration Law like the State of Arizona does, which is the fundamental difference IMO.
So if the Fed doesn't enforce it and the locals don't enforce it that makes it ok ?

But if the Fed doesn't enforce it and the locals DO enforce it then it's wrong ?

And there was way more to the story of Elian Gonzales than what was in the national press. I lived in S. Florida during that period.
What was a family court matter got totally blown out of proportion for political reasons; that little boy was a pawn.
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Old 07-09-2010, 07:49 AM
 
Location: Tampa Florida
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And there was way more to the story of Elian Gonzales than what was in the national press. I lived in S. Florida during that period.
What was a family court matter got totally blown out of proportion for political reasons; that little boy was a pawn.
You are correct, Elian's mother died, his father lived in Cuba. They rightfully, returned him to his father.
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Old 07-09-2010, 07:49 AM
 
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So if the Fed doesn't enforce it and the locals don't enforce it that makes it ok ?

But if the Fed doesn't enforce it and the locals DO enforce it then it's wrong ?

And there was way more to the story of Elian Gonzales than what was in the national press. I lived in S. Florida during that period.
What was a family court matter got totally blown out of proportion for political reasons; that little boy was a pawn.
The Federal government has a responsibility to enforce federal law. That said, it's not possible to deport every single illegal in this country. We need to change the federal law.

I admittedly don't know a lot about the Elian Gonzales story. I was only 12 at the time. I did think that reuniting him with his father in Cuba was the right thing to do, and still do.
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Old 07-09-2010, 08:06 AM
 
Location: The Heartland
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I'm not any Legal Eagle. Is that technically an illegal thing to do? Or is there some type of legal loophole out? If not, could people start a petition or do anything to insist the Feds start to sue these "sanctuary cities?"
I am not either but, we have laws against coming into our country illegally and if you do you become an illegal alien. It seems to me that by pretermitting these criminals, you are aiding and abetting.
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Old 07-09-2010, 08:07 AM
 
Location: South Fla
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The Federal government has a responsibility to enforce federal law. That said, it's not possible to deport every single illegal in this country. We need to change the federal law.

I admittedly don't know a lot about the Elian Gonzales story. I was only 12 at the time. I did think that reuniting him with his father in Cuba was the right thing to do, and still do.
He is a communist now.

He was a pawn and still is a pawn for Fidel so Fidel can claim a victory of America.
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Old 07-09-2010, 08:09 AM
 
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Supposedly Arizona is getting sued because they've "pre-empted federal law", well so have sanctuary cities, yet there are no lawsuits against them. Hmmm........
They've been sanctuary cities for decades. Has any DoJ ever sued them? I dont know. Maybe you've researched this.
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Old 07-09-2010, 08:09 AM
 
Location: North America
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Supposedly Arizona is getting sued because they've "pre-empted federal law", well so have sanctuary cities, yet there are no lawsuits against them. Hmmm........

Because it isn't against Federal Law.
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Old 07-09-2010, 08:10 AM
 
Location: North America
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They've been sanctuary cities for decades. Has any DoJ ever sued them? I dont know. Maybe you've researched this.

Obviously not. Just another case of manufactured outrage. The list of this nonsense keeps growing.
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Old 07-09-2010, 08:14 AM
 
Location: Dorchester
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The Federal government has a responsibility to enforce federal law. That said, it's not possible to deport every single illegal in this country. We need to change the federal law.
So we should simply leave them all alone?

If you lived in a 10,000 square foot home and you knew that there was a burglar somewhere in that home, would you choose to let him stay simply because you could not locate him?
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Old 07-09-2010, 08:18 AM
 
Location: Dorchester
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Because it isn't against Federal Law.
So I suppose the residents of these "sanctuary cities" can refuse to pay their federal income tax as well?
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