What if 20 Million Illegal Aliens Vacated America (laws, employment, Americans)

[tulani]

Originally Posted by meemy

Very interesting indeed! I hope that you post this on many sites and very frequently.

Spreading this around widely is a patriotic thing to do; revealing hard, cold facts about the criminal invaders' impact on our people.

The recent deluge of tear jerker sob stories about the "poor, heart broken immigrants" in the mainstream media must be counteracted by real truths.
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Makes you want to gag just reading some of those sob stories.

Originally Posted by banevader

1) Not even the Justice Department is stating that there are 20 million illegal aliens in the US,OP. More like 12 million.
2) Since rounding aliens and deporting would cost as much ,if not more, than leaving them in place,why would there be a rush to spend more than we are currently doing?
3) HOW could they all be rounded up? This logistical and legal nightmare is never addressed by anybody complaining about immigration.
4) What would happen when an American citizen (something that is certain to happen) is either detained or deported due to a "mistake" made by the government?

There are many more "what if's" in removing illegal aliens from the US,but since none of the above are even being addressed,then it's doubtful that this is even being seriously considered by the government.

1. Just like back in 1986 when they way under estimated how many were here? NO ONE has any idea just how many illegals are here!
2. Rounding them up and deporting them might cost more than leaving them in place. However, this would only be a one time cost, not something that drags on for years and years.
3. However, there would be no need to round them up if we just followed the laws we already have: if illegals can't find work OR get any kind of financial handouts then they would take themselves home without a "round up".
4. Ya see, an American citizen SHOULD be able to prove that he/she IS AMERICAN. Mistakes will happen and there will be an occasional US citizen that will be deported. It's up to said individual to correct the situation that got them deported in the first place. (Having no ID to prove you are legal is a big deal. ALL American citizens have something to prove who they are!)

Each of these issues has been addressed in this forum multiple times.
The American populace has had it with the excuses for why we "must keep the illegals here". THEY ARE ILLEGAL and need to BE GONE!

[tulani]

Originally Posted by banevader

1) You are seriously suggesting using military force against unarmed civilians?
2) When they come back..which some will...what then? Kill them?

Not speaking for anyone but myself:

1. YES
2. YES

[tinman01]

Originally Posted by banevader

1) Not even the Justice Department is stating that there are 20 million illegal aliens in the US,OP. More like 12 million.
2) Since rounding aliens and deporting would cost as much ,if not more, than leaving them in place,why would there be a rush to spend more than we are currently doing?
3) HOW could they all be rounded up? This logistical and legal nightmare is never addressed by anybody complaining about immigration.
4) What would happen when an American citizen (something that is certain to happen) is either detained or deported due to a "mistake" made by the government?

There are many more "what if's" in removing illegal aliens from the US,but since none of the above are even being addressed,then it's doubtful that this is even being seriously considered by the government.

1,2,3 have been debunked many times over.
#4 Would be unlikely. Birth certificates, SSn's etc. Not at all likely.
#1. No one knows how many are actually here. Only wild guesses. But illegals like anything are bound to be more numerous than expected.
How many criminals are there in this country? We only know about the ones who have been caught.
2. Passing tough laws combined with strict enforcement will drive illegals away. No need to round them up. Most will opt to self seport. If they can't work, rent, or get any form of assistance they will have but 1 option and that is to leave. We have seen the evidence in places where they cracked down on illegals. They leave before getting caught.
3. How will they be rounded up? Number 2 answered this already. But if we pass laws requiring schools and hospitals to report? Hmmm I would think that this would be of help.
Add to this require landlords to list all people who dwell in their housing including SSN's and we will see the illegals running for the borders as ICE raids focus on all and not just some illegals.
Move on to confiscating all assets of any illegal caught, huge fines and jail terms for those who hire them to include Joe cheap skate trolling homeDepot parking lots. They will have no means to work or support themselves.
Nail the facilitators who give shelter to illegals. Yes that includes the churches who are confused by seperation of church and state.
Not impossible. No where near as costly as some would try to make us believe.

[chicagonut]

Originally Posted by banevader

1) Not even the Justice Department is stating that there are 20 million illegal aliens in the US,OP. More like 12 million.
2) Since rounding aliens and deporting would cost as much ,if not more, than leaving them in place,why would there be a rush to spend more than we are currently doing?
3) HOW could they all be rounded up? This logistical and legal nightmare is never addressed by anybody complaining about immigration.
4) What would happen when an American citizen (something that is certain to happen) is either detained or deported due to a "mistake" made by the government?

There are many more "what if's" in removing illegal aliens from the US,but since none of the above are even being addressed,then it's doubtful that this is even being seriously considered by the government.

They don't want you to know just how many illegals there are in this country so they play down the numbers. If the true number were revealed Americans would be more enraged than they are now.

Ridding our country of illegal aliens would be a net plus not a net negative. I guess you are new in here because many of us have said there would be no need for some huge roundup. They would self-deport without jobs via e-verify and denying them any benefits in this country such as birthright citizenship for their anchors. That would also negate your suggestion that Americans could be caught up in some huge roundup, wouldn't it?

The Arizona law hasn't even gone in affect yet but has caused many to either re-locate or go back to their homelands. Think about what it would be like if all of our states implemented laws like Arizonas. Self-deportation is the answer. There would be no costs associated with that.

All of the above has been addressed in here and everywhere else. It is just that the pro-illegals don't like our solutions as they have their eye on amensty/CIR instead and that is not in the best interests of this country nor its citizens.

[chicagonut]

Originally Posted by banevader

1) You are seriously suggesting using military force against unarmed civilians?
2) When they come back..which some will...what then? Kill them?

Ever hear of "stop or I'll shoot"? Warnings are given first so no, it isn't just cold blooded murder. If an illegal is stupid enough to continue on anyway then they get what they deserve. Same warning the second, third, fourth time they attempt to enter illegally. Seems humane to me.

[tinman01]

Originally Posted by banevader

1) You are seriously suggesting using military force against unarmed civilians?
2) When they come back..which some will...what then? Kill them?

They are given a choice. Turn around and go back or accept the consequences. Not all are unarmed and not all are good people. In fact none are good people for this nation. Good people respect the rule of law enough to obey the law.
When or if they come back? Darwin will be proven correct.

[NeutralZone]

The current massive problem of illegal immigration did not happen overnight. It built up slowly, almost unnoticed at first. Then more and more waves of illegals came here. The American people, who are very patient and tolerant, watched. The Federal government, as usual did nothing.

Finally came a tipping point- the last push for amnesty under Bush. It woke people up. It woke me up. I am a native Californian - and to all those who say opposition to illegal immigration is just anti-Latino racism - I have lived with, went to school with, worked with, and have been friends with Latinos my whole life. Gradually, I began noticing more and more stories in the paper about gangs, shootings, rapes, stabbings, homicidal drunk drivers and a pattern began to emerge. The majority of them were illegal immigrants. Then I noticed at my job (which deals with the public) more and more people who could not speak English. While the Bush amnesty was being debated 4 yrs ago, my mom was hospitalized for nearly 3 months. To visit her, I had to drive thru a heavily Latino area. I believe it was May 1 2006 that saw massive demonstrations by illegal aliens and their supporters in favor of amnesty. That night I drove to the hospital, and while stopped at a red light, drove right into one of those demonstrations. All four corners were packed with people carrying signs and waving flags. None of the signs were in English. Every single flag was a Mexican flag. These were not the Latinos I had lived with my whole life.
It did not appear to me that ANY of these people wanted to become citizens and therefore American. They wanted the right to be Mexican citizens in the United States and to conduct themselves as such. So much for the melting pot. I thought "Who are they trying to convince with their Spanish signs and Mexican flags?"

It was after this that I really began to pay attention to this issue. The more I saw, and learned, the angrier I got- mostly at the government.

Now we have come to another tipping point- the Arizona law. Since the Obama administration won't do anything other than minor cosmetic remedies to secure the border, and since everyone at this point knows his only goal is amnesty, this has mobilized the American people like nothing else. Another tipping point has been the massive influx of illegals in parts of the country that has never had to deal with this before. All of a sudden, people in Virginia, Pennsylvania, North Carolina, etc knew what we in the SouthWest have known for a while.

This problem did not happen overnight, nor will it be solved overnight. A massive, sudden deportation, even if there was the political will for it and it was logistically possible, would cause great economic upheaval. That is why the open borders people (ie, the elite) argue that it cannot be done, so let's just have "comprehensive immigration reform (amnesty)"

The way to solve the problem is to first secure the border as much as possible. This does not mean preventing 100% of illegals from crossing. Unless we have a DMZ with shoot to kill orders, this is not possible. But I do believe with the right resources and a federal government that actually puts the American people first, then at least 80-90% of illegals could be stopped. Next, make illegals ineligible for any kind of social welfare except public education and emergency room treatment (these two are mandated by law as interpreted by the courts) Next, have the federal government withhold ALL money and grants to any city or county or local govt. entity that has a "sanctuary city" policy. Next, you make it mandatory for every law enforcement jurisdiction in the country to check everyone booked into jail for their immigration status. Then you insitute E-Verify (or its equivalent) nationwide for every working person. In conjunction with this, massively increase the fines on anyone who knowingly hires an illegal alien or transports one across the border or harbors one. Then amend the constitution and eliminate "birth right citizenship" Finally, step up interior enforcement through workplace verification procedures and a crackdown on identity theft and forged identification papers.

If these procedures were initiated, the 12 or 20 million or whatever the real number of illegals would not all leave at once, but you would see a reversal of what has been going on for the last 20 years- at first a few thousand, then many thousands a year would return to Mexico and Central America. It might take 10-20 years, but it could be done.

[tinman01]

Neutralzone thats a great post. You said it all.
Thank you

[chicagonut]

Originally Posted by tinman01

Neutralzone thats a great post. You said it all.
Thank you

I totally agree with his/her post also. I grew up in So. Calif. (Michigan transplant) and I also saw all the changes that have occured in this state happen gradually. It was like waking up one morning though and this gradual change became a real reality smack in the face that was no longer tolerable. The marches pretty much did it for me also.

All of the enforcement measures suggested are right on also. It could take years to get illegal immigration down to a trickle but the results would be a resounding win for this country.

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It could be done and we'd save money. For every year they aren't here, it's more of our own money we get to invest in our own citizens, schools, roads, hospitals, etc.

They are a BURDEN to this country and offer ZERO in return.

They need to start with building the border fence from one end to the other. Why bother with using wire fencing, wood fencing, etc., like they've been doing? The idiots just jump it, cut through it, or dig under it. If they put up a blockade wall made from actual boulders (as in rocks from Mountains) they'd be too high to jump, can't cut through them, and way too dangerous (due to weight) to tunnel under it.

OP, thanks for posting this!