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Old 07-29-2010, 11:46 AM
 
Location: CITY OF ANGELS AND CONSTANT DANGER
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that was a horrible crime that was committed. thank you g.siete for denouncing such crime.

very telling that others choose to quibble about consular duties and avoid the catalyst for such actions being implemented by the consulate.

posting people can be a neighborhood watch.

mexican cops in the NY? ha. such paranoia.

you guys buy anything.
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Old 07-29-2010, 06:03 PM
 
Location: Staten Island, New York
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Considering age of consent in Mexico can be as low as 12....do the math......
Around here, the girls start popping out kids at 14 or 15, and have one every 10 months. There is a girl down the block who is about 21 and is working on kid number 6.

They, of course, get benefits paid for by legal tax payers. That's part of what is making people get a bit crazy.
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Old 07-29-2010, 06:28 PM
 
Location: Pa
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I have done a bit of UN duty and some embassy duty. It is very common for a nation's embassy to provide security services for its members and at times citizens living abroad. No harm no foul by Mexico.
This crime is to be treated as any dispicable crime should be. It was a cowardly attack against an unarmed man by a gang of 5 men. I hope they are captured and brought to justice. That justice would include prison time in a prison with a large hispanic population. May they receive a proper reward at that time for their brave deeds.
Why the animosity towards Mexico? Its no small wonder why. The Mexican gov at one time printed how to manuals for entering this country illegally.
They have helped to fuel the hard feelings between our peoples. Many parts of Mexico are all but lawless and still Mexico would presume to lecture the USA about our laws.
This sad, how small it is to attack a man who is bothering no one. People if you seek to maintain a moral high ground then we must be moral in our convictions and judgments. It is never acceptable to attack anyone simply because of their race, sex, religion, or legal status. Let the law do what the fed allows them to do.
Now had this man been a drug dealer, a murderer or a rapist? I would not approve the attack but then again I damn sure wouldn't condemn it either.
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Old 07-30-2010, 12:35 AM
 
Location: On the Rails in Northern NJ
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SI has been having hate crime problems recently. Gay bashing , Mexicans getting beat up ,blacks getting attacked by whites. But then again this is SI were talking about , its always had racial problems.
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Old 07-30-2010, 12:50 AM
 
Location: Maryland
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You mean the guy who was executed a while back? I think it was in the government's boundaries to try to do that, since the guy didn't get to meet a consular official when he was supposed to at some point, so the government argued it should be stayed so it can be determined if he needed a new trial.
Are you kidding? A new trial? Wasn’t it enough that a murderer, who shouldn’t have been here, received a tax-funded lawyer, tax-funded trial, tax-funded court costs, and a tax-funded death row incarceration? Good grief!

Funny, none of those “concerns” were broached until after he was convicted and received a death sentence. How convenient. Fortunately, justice prevailed.
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Old 07-30-2010, 02:10 AM
 
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For him to get a prison term, that would be one thing. But we have to be extra careful and follow all procedures with a death warrant. If the state didn't do all of the procedures properly in the process, it is the state's fault. The state is more than capable of properly executing a death penalty trial.

In a sworn statement Medellin said that he learned about this four years after his arrest: Houston girls' killer set to die Tuesday despite U.N. order | Houston & Texas News | Chron.com - Houston Chronicle - If he was lying, then wouldn't the state have the power to prove this?

Also the US federal government did agree to the United Nations' Vienna Convention on Consular Relations which states that a suspect is entitled to a consular trial. Ultimately court system prevented the feds from stopping Texas's execution of Medellin on that basis. If it was the federal prison system, the feds may have put on a new trial.

The tax-funded measures (automatic appeals, etc) are all there to ensure that the inmates don't escape and that innocent people aren't executed, but there may be even more protections needed.

Justice against a guilty person is fairly implementing a trial with no glaring and willful errors made, getting a guilty conviction, and fairly responding to appropriate appeals.

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Are you kidding? A new trial? Wasn’t it enough that a murderer, who shouldn’t have been here, received a tax-funded lawyer, tax-funded trial, tax-funded court costs, and a tax-funded death row incarceration? Good grief!

Funny, none of those “concerns” were broached until after he was convicted and received a death sentence. How convenient. Fortunately, justice prevailed.
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Old 07-30-2010, 02:44 AM
 
Location: Maryland
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For him to get a prison term, that would be one thing. But we have to be extra careful and follow all procedures with a death warrant. If the state didn't do all of the procedures properly in the process, it is the state's fault. The state is more than capable of properly executing a death penalty trial.

In a sworn statement Medellin said that he learned about this four years after his arrest: Houston girls' killer set to die Tuesday despite U.N. order | Houston & Texas News | Chron.com - Houston Chronicle - If he was lying, then wouldn't the state have the power to prove this?

Also the US federal government did agree to the United Nations' Vienna Convention on Consular Relations which states that a suspect is entitled to a consular trial. Ultimately court system prevented the feds from stopping Texas's execution of Medellin on that basis. If it was the federal prison system, the feds may have put on a new trial.

The tax-funded measures (automatic appeals, etc) are all there to ensure that the inmates don't escape and that innocent people aren't executed, but there may be even more protections needed.

Justice against a guilty person is fairly implementing a trial with no glaring and willful errors made, getting a guilty conviction, and fairly responding to appropriate appeals.
He was afforded the same due process as a citizen of this country. I believe that should suffice. Furthermore, his guilt was not in question. This is yet another example of the squandering of U.S. tax dollars. A U.S. citizen accused of murder in Mexico probably wouldn’t live long enough to go to trial.
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Old 07-31-2010, 09:35 AM
 
Location: San Antonio Texas
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Read the article. Mexican officials are not "patrolling". The Guardian Angels are "patrolling". The Mexican Consulate has posted some personnel in Staten Island in an effort to safeguard the rights of individuals and effectively assist and provide information to the Mexican residents of this area.

"Five men attacked the 40-year-old Mexican man Friday night as he was walking home after a soccer game at Faber Park, cop said. The attackers allegedly pummeled him while yelling anti-Mexican epithets. The man suffered head trauma, a fractured jaw and needed ten stitches above his eye, officials said.
The group of men made off with his backpack.
This is at least the sixth violent, ethnically-charged incident that has taken place in the neighborhood since April, "
Notice how the article NEVER mentioned anything about citizenship. It merely said that "for 5 years, he has called Staten Island his home", words to that effect. Why won't the media just come out and call him an "illegal"?
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Old 07-31-2010, 02:23 PM
 
Location: Staten Island, New York
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Notice how the article NEVER mentioned anything about citizenship. It merely said that "for 5 years, he has called Staten Island his home", words to that effect. Why won't the media just come out and call him an "illegal"?

Isn't if funny how they never mention that? Isn't it????

And isn't it funny how they tell reporters - in Spanish 'cause in 10 or even 20 years they couldn't be bothered to find the time to speak English - that they are not getting their 'rights.'

And isn't it funny how 'The Road to New York' just talks on and on about being fair to the 'immigrants' and how we should help them. As if our taxes weren't paying for them already. Oh, and they are illegal.

Funny, isn't it?
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Old 07-31-2010, 05:25 PM
 
Location: Spokane via Sydney,Australia
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Bottom line, if he hadn't entered this country illegally - he wouldn't have BEEN in Staten Island to get beaten up........
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