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Old 07-29-2010, 07:01 AM
 
Location: People's Republic of California
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Originally Posted by Peggy Anne View Post
The monster under the bed is no longer under the bed. The people need a better plan, and this thing isn't all said and done, by any means. We are just getting started. No one is going to treat our state like a doormat !
Hey hey hey!!! What about California!! We want some of that.
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Old 07-29-2010, 07:16 AM
 
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Please quote the sections of the ruling that support your hyperbole. Here's a link http://www.keytlaw.com/blog/wp-conte...SvsArizona.pdf

Or is this just an emotional response?

An emotional response for a very emotional issue. Not everyone is going to quote the Constitution or case law to prove their point. Some folks simply want to vent. Comprende?
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Old 07-29-2010, 07:37 AM
 
Location: Kenmore, WA
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Having lived in AZ for twelve years, I am willing to speak out and say that their will is not my will, and though the country seems to be dominated by racism, I hope it is also not the will of All Americans.

As for President Obama, we've dealt him a hand from a deck that President Bush had eight years to stack against the American People. He's come to the game fairly, so let him play it.

Naysayers are making issues much older than President Obama's tenure in office, his fault. I have to hope that this is just ignorance on their part, not really understanding that change happens much more slowly. That is especially true when change means teaching people to do things that are contrary to their inherent greed and self-absorption.
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Old 07-29-2010, 07:50 AM
 
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Please quote the sections of the ruling that support your hyperbole. Here's a link http://www.keytlaw.com/blog/wp-conte...SvsArizona.pdf

Or is this just an emotional response?
The ruling makes it illegal for a local police officer to ask an illegal to provide any kind of legal documents. A drivers license in most states is obtained by having to show a birth certificate and other citizenship documents. Now it's against the law according to this judge for an illegal to be asked to show a drivers license because a drivers license is an ID document. No illegal is to be asked for identification documents.

It would be racist to profile and target only American citizens - what if the cop isn't sure you're a citizen and makes the mistake of asking you to provide some kind of ID?
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Old 07-29-2010, 07:53 AM
 
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In fact if a local cop sees a big bag of white powder on my dashboard, they had better realize that's a federal law they're messing with if they try to test it for cocaine. They can't enforce federal laws now can they?
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Old 07-29-2010, 09:16 AM
 
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Why don't you explain why the ruling is incorrect? Based on the law (Constitution, case law, and common law) please provide evidence to support your position.

Your original post did not deal with the facts or merits of the case.
By legal precedent, the state of Rhode Island tried this same issue in 1979 and the courts found in favor of Rhode Island. Therefore the current ruling would be in contrast to legal precedent.

What specific part of the Constitution do you believe precludes an officer from asking for citizenship status?

Why do you believe that I, as a US citizen, am subject to such inquiry, but an illegal (who is not even a citizen) is given an exemption, granting them "super status" of immunity from federal law? Should I, as a citizen, refuse to show identification to a police officer, noting the federal ruling in Arizona, and just tell him to stick it? I know the Chief of Police pretty well, and I am sure that she would make sure that I was not in jail for more than a few minutes. However, I think that citizens will now "follow the new law" (as created by the Arizona judge) and refuse to present ID.

Should I also refuse to show my driver's liscence when preparing to fly? I guess now I can sue all the airlines, as it should be illegal for them to do so.
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Old 07-29-2010, 09:28 AM
 
Location: Up on the moon laughing down on you
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This ruling was just dumb. I think the judge was just pandering to the media. Wrong wrong wrong.

Arizona isn't preempting any federal law just complimenting it. It sickens me that the illegals have so much sway. hell in university they got scholarships by zip code while I had to compete with everyone from the entire US. Totally wrong.
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Old 07-29-2010, 09:49 AM
 
Location: Arizona High Desert
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If an illegal is driving drunk, and pulled over, he/she still has to produce a license, and pass a sobriety test. The law won't let them "go their way and sin some more". They will be arrested, and taken to jail. I wonder if they will whine about being unable to support their families ? they always use the words "family," and "work." Somehow we are supposed to cry a river because they have a family, and "work hard."
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Old 07-29-2010, 09:55 AM
 
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does this mean any illegal who manages to step foot in on USA soil cannot be stopped?If this illegal is stopped will it be called profiling?Illegals want the same deal Cubans have step on US soil you are a citizen.
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Old 07-29-2010, 10:15 AM
 
Location: san antonio texas
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The recent ruling by the Clinton appointed judge regarding the Arizona immigration law has fairly broad reaching implications. It suggests-

1. judicial activism trumps the elected branches of the government

2. voting rights mean little, if anything, if the will of the people cannot be enforced

3. in the Obama administration, the will of foriegn nationals supercede the rights of US citizens

4. When the will of the electorate no longer matters, we are living in an authoritarian state.


The will of the people, which is the basis for our nation, has been superceded and derailed by the opinion of ONE person over that of millions.

Is this the death of the republic?
Can the Obama administration really suggest that they actually represent the US any longer?
havent't you heard? you can cross the border illegally in mexico and get 2 year jail sentences! but you cross here, you get jobs, tax payer money, food stamps, subsidized housing ect ect.
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