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Old 07-28-2010, 08:03 PM
 
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The recent ruling by the Clinton appointed judge regarding the Arizona immigration law has fairly broad reaching implications. It suggests-

1. judicial activism trumps the elected branches of the government

2. voting rights mean little, if anything, if the will of the people cannot be enforced

3. in the Obama administration, the will of foriegn nationals supercede the rights of US citizens

4. When the will of the electorate no longer matters, we are living in an authoritarian state.


The will of the people, which is the basis for our nation, has been superceded and derailed by the opinion of ONE person over that of millions.

Is this the death of the republic?
Can the Obama administration really suggest that they actually represent the US any longer?
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Old 07-28-2010, 09:46 PM
 
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The Clinton judge has just made it illegal for any cop any where to ask anyone for a drivers license. If no illegal can be asked to provide any kind of ID then can it still be legal for liquor stores to demand to see an ID? If no illegal must ever show an ID then can any American citizen be required to have one? Or is this judge racist against the American people and would say the laws only apply to American citizens?
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Old 07-28-2010, 09:54 PM
 
Location: Arizona High Desert
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The monster under the bed is no longer under the bed. The people need a better plan, and this thing isn't all said and done, by any means. We are just getting started. No one is going to treat our state like a doormat !
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Old 07-29-2010, 06:15 AM
 
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The monster under the bed is no longer under the bed. The people need a better plan, and this thing isn't all said and done, by any means. We are just getting started. No one is going to treat our state like a doormat !

It is a very dark day for US citizens. The implication of the ruling is that federalism trumps state's rights and that judicial decisions trump the electorate. Why vote?

When the citizens realize that they no longer have determination over their own laws, the nation is ripe for a revolt. The tyranny of the federal government and judicial activism cannot continue, one way or another.
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Old 07-29-2010, 06:25 AM
 
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It is a very dark day for US citizens. The implication of the ruling is that federalism trumps state's rights and that judicial decisions trump the electorate. Why vote?

When the citizens realize that they no longer have determination over their own laws, the nation is ripe for a revolt. The tyranny of the federal government and judicial activism cannot continue, one way or another.
I fear you are correct Hawkeye....it is truly a dark day for the citizens of this country. The issues before us are not of a partisan nature because both parties have done our country countless injustices for many decades and the blame lies on both sides of the aisle. Unfortunately, we have become a bunch of impotent citizens who collectively will probably not have the cahones to do something about our ineffective government come November elections....truly a sad time in American history.
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Old 07-29-2010, 06:31 AM
 
Location: San Diego, CA
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The recent ruling by the Clinton appointed judge regarding the Arizona immigration law has fairly broad reaching implications. It suggests-

1. judicial activism trumps the elected branches of the government

2. voting rights mean little, if anything, if the will of the people cannot be enforced

3. in the Obama administration, the will of foriegn nationals supercede the rights of US citizens

4. When the will of the electorate no longer matters, we are living in an authoritarian state.


The will of the people, which is the basis for our nation, has been superceded and derailed by the opinion of ONE person over that of millions.

Is this the death of the republic?
Can the Obama administration really suggest that they actually represent the US any longer?
And that post proves you don't have even the slightest clue about the law or what the judge's ruling actually said.

Here's a link to a much better thread which actually details the specific findings of the ruling instead of the uninformed nonsense found in this thread: Judge blocks most controversial parts of AZ SB1070 law
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Old 07-29-2010, 06:44 AM
 
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The Clinton judge has just made it illegal for any cop any where to ask anyone for a drivers license. If no illegal can be asked to provide any kind of ID then can it still be legal for liquor stores to demand to see an ID? If no illegal must ever show an ID then can any American citizen be required to have one? Or is this judge racist against the American people and would say the laws only apply to American citizens?
This is an excellent point. Stores have signs posted that say something like "Anyone who looks younger than 30 will be asked for I.D." Isn't this the same thing? Who can explain this?
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Old 07-29-2010, 06:47 AM
 
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The recent ruling by the Clinton appointed judge regarding the Arizona immigration law has fairly broad reaching implications. It suggests-

1. judicial activism trumps the elected branches of the government

2. voting rights mean little, if anything, if the will of the people cannot be enforced

3. in the Obama administration, the will of foriegn nationals supercede the rights of US citizens

4. When the will of the electorate no longer matters, we are living in an authoritarian state.


The will of the people, which is the basis for our nation, has been superceded and derailed by the opinion of ONE person over that of millions.

Is this the death of the republic?
Can the Obama administration really suggest that they actually represent the US any longer?
Yes. "The will of the people" which is also backed by the Constitution does not appear to be of any significance. What is going on???
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Old 07-29-2010, 06:49 AM
 
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The recent ruling by the Clinton appointed judge regarding the Arizona immigration law has fairly broad reaching implications. It suggests-

1. judicial activism trumps the elected branches of the government

2. voting rights mean little, if anything, if the will of the people cannot be enforced

3. in the Obama administration, the will of foriegn nationals supercede the rights of US citizens

4. When the will of the electorate no longer matters, we are living in an authoritarian state.


The will of the people, which is the basis for our nation, has been superceded and derailed by the opinion of ONE person over that of millions.

Is this the death of the republic?
Can the Obama administration really suggest that they actually represent the US any longer?
1. Please define "judicial activism"

2. The people did not vote for Sb 1070, nor for Brewer as Governor.

3. In Federal Court, the Constitution and case law supersede states creating immigration crimes

4. This has never been a democracy, but a democratic republic. The founders believed mob rule could also result in the tyranny of the majority.
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Old 07-29-2010, 06:57 AM
 
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The Clinton judge has just made it illegal for any cop any where to ask anyone for a drivers license. If no illegal can be asked to provide any kind of ID then can it still be legal for liquor stores to demand to see an ID? If no illegal must ever show an ID then can any American citizen be required to have one? Or is this judge racist against the American people and would say the laws only apply to American citizens?
Please quote the sections of the ruling that support your hyperbole. Here's a link http://www.keytlaw.com/blog/wp-conte...SvsArizona.pdf

Or is this just an emotional response?
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