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Old 06-23-2007, 08:12 PM
 
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In CA, my father is a builder for about 60 years, a Republican who says the country is going gown the drain. My other 'dear' relative is in same business. They tell me for legals and illegals without skills the wages are $12 to $15 per hr. With a tradesman skill for legals and illegals wages are $25 per hr. So the same. I'm wondering what jobs illegals are doing that Americans will not do? Where did this phrase come from...agriculture and brand new illegals? Loads of Americans are working for minimum and low wages along with illegals.

My dear relative also says we need universal health care, and that big business republicans started the illegal cheap labor problems...what can I say to refute? These two issues will have to be addressed to get a Republican president for '08.

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Old 06-23-2007, 08:28 PM
 
Location: City of the damned, Wash
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They need to tell you WHY they would hire an illegal at the same wage as a legal. There would be no reason to, unless they did not want to be able to communicate with the employee. The wage is NOT the same, or they would never get hired. They lie.
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Old 06-23-2007, 08:41 PM
 
Location: In an illegal immigrant free part of the country.
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I have fun watching "Flip This House" once in a while. I have seen many times where the flipper has argued the large bill from a contractor. The contractor brings all Mexicans to do the work. The knowledgeable flipper has done this enough to know that the contractor charged him $20-$30/ hr. per employee but pays them $8-$12/ per hr.

One time a bill came in at $30,000 and the flipper said “Are you going to tell me that you bring me a bunch of employees that don’t even speak English and you are paying them top dollar? You better adjust that bill because I’m not paying it”. The bill was adjusted to what? $14,000.

These contractors charge the going rate but pay the low wages to the illegals and then pocket the difference.
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Old 06-23-2007, 08:52 PM
 
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They need to tell you WHY they would hire an illegal at the same wage as a legal. There would be no reason to, unless they did not want to be able to communicate with the employee. The wage is NOT the same, or they would never get hired. They lie.
Oh no, my relatives did not lie they have old fashioned character. The reason the wages ARE the same is that there are no Americans to hire these days. This makes sense to me because I do not see many in my area who speak English well at all, they are mostly illegals, very few whites or blacks I see.

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Old 06-23-2007, 09:21 PM
 
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I have a friend here in Omaha that frames houses. He told me that it's to the point where he can hardly turn a profit now and stay in business unless he starts hiring illegals. The problem is his competitors all hire illegals, so they can bid in a lot lower than he can. So he loses job after job.
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Old 06-23-2007, 10:12 PM
 
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I have a friend here in Omaha that frames houses. He told me that it's to the point where he can hardly turn a profit now and stay in business unless he starts hiring illegals. The problem is his competitors all hire illegals, so they can bid in a lot lower than he can. So he loses job after job.

I hope Omaha does not end up like L.A. where there is pretty much only illegals left working in small construction at regular going rates. Someone here just told me that it's the same way in Florida now.

I see it's true that some Americans are not doing jobs illegals do, but they DO want to, they've just been 'pushed out' of certain industries by illegals and employers, first by employers hiring illegals for less, THEN by the illegals over-running an industry causing Americans to flee it and the area, resulting in illegals being paid regular going rates...for years now! The lowest American wages continue to be kept down due to illegal competition by employers though. Whatever the illegals do seems to hurt Americans one way or another.

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