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Old 07-30-2010, 11:28 PM
 
Location: Pa
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Now we have heard a lot of excuses, seen a lot of finger pointing. But whose fault is it really?
Lets keep this thread clean and free of the childish antics.
Some disqualifiers:
1. We stole the land from Mexico.
2. They come here to have anchor babies.
3. They do jobs Americans won't do.
4. They are here for the welfare.
None of these excuses are valid because the last 3 are not the root problem.
In my opinion the fault is entirely on the shoulders of the Federal Government.
They have failed to recognize and take action for far too long.
The fed knew the problem existed and was getting worse by the day and yet failed to act.
What could they have done?
1. Secure the border and minimize the any further intrusion.
2. Enforced our labor laws. In other words slap companies that violate these laws with fines that actually hurt. Include jail time for any repeat offenders, or big offenders.
3. Enforce our immigration laws. Deport the violators. Border is secure and they can not return.
4. Pass laws that go after the facilitaors. This includes the greedy landlords, the relatives that provide shelter and of course churches who provide a sanctuary.
Now lets keep this thread clean.
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Old 07-30-2010, 11:44 PM
 
Location: 3rd rock from the sun
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Mexicans come north for jobs. If Americans didn't hire them then they wouldn't be here. It started with the Bracero guest worker program back in the 1940's and California farms (mainly corporate run) hiring Mexican farm labor. Once you open the door its hard to close & foreign guest workers will start putting down roots and starting families. The easiest and least costly enforcement action (manpower & $) is to go after the employers - this will lead to fewer migrants and to some extent reverse the flow -self deportment.
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Old 07-30-2010, 11:48 PM
 
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The federal government, the people of the USA (who have ignored this issue for a long time), the employers and the countries (especially Mexico) for encouraging their people to flee their country while refusing to focus on making life better for their people.
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Old 07-31-2010, 12:01 AM
 
Location: Phoenix,Arizona
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Mexicans come north for jobs. If Americans didn't hire them then they wouldn't be here. It started with the Bracero guest worker program back in the 1940's and California farms (mainly corporate run) hiring Mexican farm labor. Once you open the door its hard to close & foreign guest workers will start putting down roots and starting families. The easiest and least costly enforcement action (manpower & $) is to go after the employers - this will lead to fewer migrants and to some extent reverse the flow -self deportment.
Exactly


The current administration states it's fully in charge of this issue now and it should be resolved rather quickly
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Old 07-31-2010, 09:37 AM
 
Location: San Diego
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So, you all think that the Governments of Mexico and Guatemala have no blame in any of this? Seriously?

Wow


I remember another situation where people were spitting on soldiers coming back from Nam. It wasn't the Soldiers fault but people demonized them anyway.
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Old 07-31-2010, 09:55 AM
 
Location: John & Ken-ville
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The fault of the federal government for not enforcing illegal immigration law.
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Old 07-31-2010, 10:12 AM
 
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There is plenty of blame to go around and the employer of illegals certainly is to blame. Most know full well they are breaking the law but their greed gets the best of them so they willingly break the law but almost all illegals are also aware that they are breaking the laws so they don't get a pass.

It's like a bank embezzler trying to blame the bank for allowing him access to money to steal even though the embezzler knew full well it was a crime to take the money. Or burglars trying to blame home owners for not securing their house well enough forcing them to break and enter and rob it.
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Old 07-31-2010, 10:19 AM
 
Location: Back in COLORADO!!!
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Originally Posted by Gary Siete View Post
Mexicans come north for jobs. If Americans didn't hire them then they wouldn't be here. It started with the Bracero guest worker program back in the 1940's and California farms (mainly corporate run) hiring Mexican farm labor. Once you open the door its hard to close & foreign guest workers will start putting down roots and starting families. The easiest and least costly enforcement action (manpower & $) is to go after the employers - this will lead to fewer migrants and to some extent reverse the flow -self deportment.

Yep, this ^^^.

Well said!

If we really want to address illegal immigration in the US we have to address the companies/individuals hiring them. This is the part of the equation that never gets a whole lot of attention in the media.
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Old 07-31-2010, 10:31 AM
 
Location: Up on the moon laughing down on you
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Illegal immigrants are not all mexican, they come from all over the world and should be sent back all over the world.
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Old 07-31-2010, 11:00 AM
 
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Illegal immigrants are not all mexican, they come from all over the world and should be sent back all over the world.
Profile them and you will find that 60% are from Mexico and South America. MS13 are not from Ireland. 50% of gangs in U.S. are from Mexico. Drug cartels are Mexican. Those coming across the southern border are Mexican, (Hispanics)
Entire cities in Calif are Mexican. Smithridge Ele school here in Reno is 98% Hispanic. Mariposa School of language in 100%.
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