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Old 07-31-2010, 08:34 AM
 
Location: Chicagoland
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To Impose Federal Immigration Law. How many knew this?

Partners (http://www.ice.gov/partners/287g/Section287_g.htm - broken link)

Congress Passed an Arizona-Like Immigration Law in 1996 - Chris Battle (usnews.com)

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Congress deemed it appropriate for state and local law enforcement to enforce immigration law.

The federal law that has been on the books for more than decade empowers state and local law enforcement to impose immigration law. According to U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement, more than 60 jurisdictions in states across the country have taken advantage of this law.
This issue is just plain a**backwards.

WE have federal, state, local governments ignoring current immigration to create sanctuary cities, while railing on states and individuals who want our current laws enforced.

Just insane.
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Old 07-31-2010, 01:33 PM
 
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It's not backwards at all. To understand what Section 287(g) states, you must read it. Not just post 'snippets' that you like, but read the entire section.

"...[DHS/ICE] to enter into agreements with state and local law enforcement agencies, permitting designated officers to perform immigration law enforcement functions, pursuant to a Memorandum of Agreement (MOA), provided that the local law enforcement officers receive appropriate training and function under the supervision of sworn U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) officers."

Even if AZ arrests tens of thousands of illegal immigrants, where the heck are they supposed to put them? Do you know how many federal criminal detention facilities there are? Where will all this manpower come from to transport these people to a detention center?

Are you willing to have your taxes raised through the roof, so that an entire unit of police officers in your jurisdiction can be dedicated solely to this issue? How many extra police officers do you think that will take, for every single state?

The problem is enormous and any full-scale enforcement will cost in the billions. Then you'll be complaining about the higher taxes you'll have to pay.

ICE is busy enforcing federal law. How many illegals vs how many ICE officers are there? How are the Feds (ICE) ignoring the law? (Look for the answers in your own links). There's only so much manpower available.

Do you have a legal, sensible solution?
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Old 07-31-2010, 03:16 PM
 
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It's not backwards at all. To understand what Section 287(g) states, you must read it. Not just post 'snippets' that you like, but read the entire section.

"...[DHS/ICE] to enter into agreements with state and local law enforcement agencies, permitting designated officers to perform immigration law enforcement functions, pursuant to a Memorandum of Agreement (MOA), provided that the local law enforcement officers receive appropriate training and function under the supervision of sworn U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) officers."

Even if AZ arrests tens of thousands of illegal immigrants, where the heck are they supposed to put them? Do you know how many federal criminal detention facilities there are? Where will all this manpower come from to transport these people to a detention center?

Are you willing to have your taxes raised through the roof, so that an entire unit of police officers in your jurisdiction can be dedicated solely to this issue? How many extra police officers do you think that will take, for every single state?

The problem is enormous and any full-scale enforcement will cost in the billions. Then you'll be complaining about the higher taxes you'll have to pay.

ICE is busy enforcing federal law. How many illegals vs how many ICE officers are there? How are the Feds (ICE) ignoring the law? (Look for the answers in your own links). There's only so much manpower available.

Do you have a legal, sensible solution?
I keep wondering how many times we have to post the sensible solution in here over and over. E-verify, no more anchor babies, no more taxpayer benefits. In short take away any and all incentives for them to remain here or to continue to come here. Most will self-deport. There are no associated costs with that.
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Old 07-31-2010, 03:34 PM
 
Location: Chicagoland
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Originally Posted by Wicked Felina View Post
It's not backwards at all. To understand what Section 287(g) states, you must read it. Not just post 'snippets' that you like, but read the entire section.

"...[DHS/ICE] to enter into agreements with state and local law enforcement agencies, permitting designated officers to perform immigration law enforcement functions, pursuant to a Memorandum of Agreement (MOA), provided that the local law enforcement officers receive appropriate training and function under the supervision of sworn U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) officers."

Even if AZ arrests tens of thousands of illegal immigrants, where the heck are they supposed to put them? Do you know how many federal criminal detention facilities there are? Where will all this manpower come from to transport these people to a detention center?

Are you willing to have your taxes raised through the roof, so that an entire unit of police officers in your jurisdiction can be dedicated solely to this issue? How many extra police officers do you think that will take, for every single state?

The problem is enormous and any full-scale enforcement will cost in the billions. Then you'll be complaining about the higher taxes you'll have to pay.

ICE is busy enforcing federal law. How many illegals vs how many ICE officers are there? How are the Feds (ICE) ignoring the law? (Look for the answers in your own links). There's only so much manpower available.

Do you have a legal, sensible solution?
Yes, maybe you should READ the Arizona law, which deals with the training issue.

That's what links to sources are for - so people can read.
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Old 08-03-2010, 04:57 PM
 
Location: square thing with a roof
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It's not backwards at all. To understand what Section 287(g) states, you must read it. Not just post 'snippets' that you like, but read the entire section.
Author of Fed'l 287(g) Law Says It Was Written to Allow State Laws Like Arizona's

According to Rep. Lamar Smith (who wrote 287(g)) -- it specifically provides for the type of law Arizona has enacted.
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Old 08-04-2010, 10:06 AM
 
Location: Oxygen Ln. AZ
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Originally Posted by Wicked Felina View Post
It's not backwards at all. To understand what Section 287(g) states, you must read it. Not just post 'snippets' that you like, but read the entire section.

"...[DHS/ICE] to enter into agreements with state and local law enforcement agencies, permitting designated officers to perform immigration law enforcement functions, pursuant to a Memorandum of Agreement (MOA), provided that the local law enforcement officers receive appropriate training and function under the supervision of sworn U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) officers."

Even if AZ arrests tens of thousands of illegal immigrants, where the heck are they supposed to put them? Do you know how many federal criminal detention facilities there are? Where will all this manpower come from to transport these people to a detention center?

Are you willing to have your taxes raised through the roof, so that an entire unit of police officers in your jurisdiction can be dedicated solely to this issue? How many extra police officers do you think that will take, for every single state?

The problem is enormous and any full-scale enforcement will cost in the billions. Then you'll be complaining about the higher taxes you'll have to pay.

ICE is busy enforcing federal law. How many illegals vs how many ICE officers are there? How are the Feds (ICE) ignoring the law? (Look for the answers in your own links). There's only so much manpower available.

Do you have a legal, sensible solution?
Well I say that if we can deploy tens of thousands of our troops to all parts of the globe then surely we can provide bus service for those returning to the home country. During the depression we escorted hundreds of thousands back home and wow, look what we did to the poor Japanese during WWII. You don't think much of this country with your attitude of "we just can't." You don't have a problem with this administration pissing away billions of our dollars on nonsense right now..do you?
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Old 08-04-2010, 04:00 PM
 
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I knew about it. This law is what started the sanctuary cities that resulted in exploding population of illegal aliens.
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Old 08-04-2010, 04:34 PM
 
Location: square thing with a roof
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@Lariat, exactly. Now if AZ was trying to pass a law enabling AZ to be a sanctuary state, Obama would NOT be suing them over it. He probably would have held them up as a fine example of what the rest of the states should do.
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Old 08-04-2010, 04:52 PM
 
Location: AZ
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Even if AZ arrests tens of thousands of illegal immigrants, where the heck are they supposed to put them? Do you know how many federal criminal detention facilities there are? Where will all this manpower come from to transport these people to a detention center?



Do you have a legal, sensible solution?

I love how you state "A LEGAL sensible solution" when they're here ILLEGALLY!



Why do we need to put them anywhere but on a bus back home to Mexico. Would be able to make several trips a day to and from the border,the rest from other countries get a one way ticket back home.It would still be cheaper than housing them here and having them DRAIN our system! But if you don't like that idea maybe you'd consider taking them all in at your place and paying for them!
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