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Old 08-02-2010, 12:31 PM
 
Location: Maryland
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Easy...by improving hiring processes that can spot all instances of fraud, which will need to be supported, controlled and enforced by the federal government. This can be done by:

-Changing the I-9 form to require list A, List B and List C documents for all new hires. This would be done instead of accepting either a list A document or list B and list C documents. This would also require all US citizens to have a passport (since they would otherwise not have any list A docs).

-Require all employers in the US to use E-verify for hiring.

-Improve E-verify to include all state photo IDs, passports, social security cards, and birth certificates in its database (currently all it has is federally issued photo IDs such as permanent residency cards and work authorization cards.) This would deter alot of fraud as it would require the employer to compare the photo IDs used on the I-9 form to the actual IDs in the E-verify database. If the pictures don't match up the hire cannot be made.
Thatís fine for future hiring practices. However, millions of illegal aliens are currently employed. How do we attack those employers?
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Old 08-02-2010, 12:41 PM
 
Location: Minneapolis, MN
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Thatís fine for future hiring practices. However, millions of illegal aliens are currently employed. How do we attack those employers?
That would be an issue to tackle once correct hiring processes are in place and effectively being enforced.
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Old 08-02-2010, 12:46 PM
 
Location: Spokane via Sydney,Australia
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Easy...by improving hiring processes that can spot all instances of fraud, which will need to be supported, controlled and enforced by the federal government. This can be done by:

-Changing the I-9 form to require list A, List B and List C documents for all new hires. This would be done instead of accepting either a list A document or list B and list C documents. This would also require all US citizens to have a passport (since they would otherwise not have any list A docs).

I have news for you - as a legal immigrant I'm ALWAYS being asked for docs from A, B +C - even though I tell them that is NOT what the I-9 says LOL
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Old 08-02-2010, 12:54 PM
 
Location: Minneapolis, MN
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I have news for you - as a legal immigrant I'm ALWAYS being asked for docs from A, B +C - even though I tell them that is NOT what the I-9 says LOL
Sadly, that doesn't surprise me. The form isn't really that complex but for whatever reason people seem to be undereducated on it and it leads to all kinds of mistakes. That's probably why the government's guide on the I-9 form is over 60 pages long....we're talking about a guide on how to correctly fill out a 1 page form.

See for yourself: http://www.uscis.gov/files/form/m-274.pdf

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Old 08-02-2010, 01:31 PM
 
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That would be an issue to tackle once correct hiring processes are in place and effectively being enforced.
It may take years to implement. We need to address this problem now. Again, how do we target employers of illegal aliens, to end their current employment?
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Old 08-02-2010, 01:35 PM
 
Location: Minneapolis, MN
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It may take years to implement. We need to address this problem now. Again, how do we target employers of illegal aliens, to end their current employment?
The obvious way would be to take the newly improved E-verify system I just mentioned and apply it to existing employees. The federal government can require all employers to have their employees re-verify their information and put it through E-verify. Employers could do this to weed out all employees with bad docs and ID information. This currently isn't permitted by the federal gov't but it very easily could be changed.
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Old 08-02-2010, 01:42 PM
 
Location: Silverthorne, Colorado
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If we boycotted all of the industries that hired illegal immigrants, we would practically destroy the acricultural sectors of state economies in the Western US.. There aren't very many regulations when it comes to hiring workers on farmland, picking grapes off of trees.
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Old 08-02-2010, 01:44 PM
 
Location: Maryland
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The obvious way would be to take the newly improved E-verify system I just mentioned and apply it to existing employees. The federal government can require all employers to have their employees re-verify their information and put it through E-verify. Employers could do this to weed out all employees with bad docs and ID information. This currently isn't permitted by the federal gov't but it very easily could be changed.
That would be a start. However, the current system will not detect those working by using a stolen SSN. Sadly, there is too much opposition to E-Verify by illegal alien profiteers for anything to be done.
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Old 08-02-2010, 01:58 PM
 
Location: Minneapolis, MN
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That would be a start. However, the current system will not detect those working by using a stolen SSN. Sadly, there is too much opposition to E-Verify by illegal alien profiteers for anything to be done.
Exactly why the system needs to be improved first....like I've already stated.
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Old 08-02-2010, 03:46 PM
 
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Exactly why the system needs to be improved first....like I've already stated.
Weíre going in circles here. For starters, the government needs to focus on the primary employers of illegal aliens: construction, hospitality, restaurants, and landscaping. They need to undertake an exhaustive verification process on all employees, both current and new hires, to include fingerprinting. Then, they need to arrest, prosecute, fine, and imprison all owners of violating companies. No more slaps on the wrist. The remaining employers will get the message. Repeat offenders should be given a mandatory 10 year prison sentence without the possibility of parole.

Our government must also send a resounding message that illegal immigration will no longer be tolerated. Illegals should be given 60 days to handle their affairs and leave the country. Anyone caught after the 60-day grace period will forfeit assets, be arrested, deported, and penalized with permanent banishment.

We must also send enough troops to the border to effectively secure the perimeter. They should receive the same directives as U.S. troops currently securing the borders of foreign nations.

This may seem harsh, but our government has played games long enough. Itís time to get serious.
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