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Old 08-01-2010, 07:22 AM
 
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I had this explained to me by an Immigration Lawyer, and she says why the law is wrong is because

- Immigration is a matter of national security, not state.

- Arizona does not have the authority to deport anybody, so what are they going to do next after they arrest someone?

- It used to be

1.) Man gets pulled over for speeding.
2.) Asked for license.
3.) Doesn't have a license, so they check his status and realize he isn't a legal citizen.
4.) Then handed off to I.C.E. and later deported.

With Arizona its now.

1.) Man "for reasons other than skin color" gets asked for his legal documents.








Another problem with the law is that legal U.S. citizens in Arizona now have the ability to sue the state if its believed that they didn't work hard enough to purse a specific illegal immigrant.

"The Act also prohibits state, county, or local officials from limiting or restricting "the enforcement of federal immigration laws to less than the full extent permitted by federal law" and provides that any legal Arizona resident can sue such agencies or officials to compel such full enforcement. If the person who brings suit prevails, that person may be entitled to reimbursement of court costs and reasonable attorney fees."
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Old 08-01-2010, 07:26 AM
 
Location: Near the water
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The law is the law......if you are here illegally, you are breaking the law !
Period.

And it doesn't matter who is enforcing the law as long as it is being enforced.
This law is nothing new, being illegal has been illegal for many, many years.

It isn't hard to comprehend that breaking the law is against the law.

eta:
those who are crying let the Fed handle it are only doing so because they know
the Feds have to much going on to handle it. What a cop out, all to enable the
law breakers. How about those who are whining go to mehico illegally and see what
happens to you. Think they care, nope.
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Old 08-01-2010, 07:43 AM
 
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The law is the law......if you are here illegally, you are breaking the law !
Period.

And it doesn't matter who is enforcing the law as long as it is being enforced.
This law is nothing new, being illegal has been illegal for many, many years.

It isn't hard to comprehend that breaking the law is against the law.

eta:
those who are crying let the Fed handle it are only doing so because they know
the Feds have to much going on to handle it. What a cop out, all to enable the
law breakers. How about those who are whining go to mehico illegally and see what
happens to you. Think they care, nope.
Really? So if the state of Massachusetts decides to go to war with Iran because they violated sanctions put on by the U.N. and and US its okay? Or perhaps Nebraska wants to bomb Russia?

We have divisions of State and Federal because it provides a system of checks and balances.

I don't want a Governor in a different state making decisions of national security for me.
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Old 08-01-2010, 07:56 AM
 
Location: Near the water
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Really? So if the state of Massachusetts decides to go to war with Iran because they violated sanctions put on by the U.N. and and US its okay? Or perhaps Nebraska wants to bomb Russia?

We have divisions of State and Federal because it provides a system of checks and balances.

I don't want a Governor in a different state making decisions of national security for me.

You are comparing apples and grapes here.....

You have citizens of Arizona who are being murdered by these illegals coming across. You have illegal drugs and weapons that are coming into this country via Arizona and it must stop immediately.

If I were a citizen of that State you danged right, I would want that Governor to take any and all measures to protect me and mine!

Your comparisons aren't even realistic. This country's biggest concern isn't/shouldn't iran, russia or anyone else for that matter, it is our very own. Our very own back yard that must be dealt with, with all haste and diligence !
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Old 08-01-2010, 08:03 AM
 
Location: ridgetop tn / nikiski ak
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Really? So if the state of Massachusetts decides to go to war with Iran because they violated sanctions put on by the U.N. and and US its okay? Or perhaps Nebraska wants to bomb Russia?

We have divisions of State and Federal because it provides a system of checks and balances.

I don't want a Governor in a different state making decisions of national security for me.

Do you know that there is a difference between National and Inter-National? Arizona is very much within its rights to protect its border from a neighboring invasion. Your logic is quite faulty.

regards,
tb
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Old 08-01-2010, 09:17 AM
 
Location: San Diego
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Gay marriage, gun control and a couple other topics are things getting crossed up between State and Federal. In my opinion this law mirrors Federal law and has a good chance of passing especially if they tweek it a bit to satisfy the critics.
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Old 08-01-2010, 09:22 AM
 
Location: Phoenix,Arizona
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I really do not think that Arizona will invade Iran

However it's enough of a problem just securing our
border with Mexico with out ANY federal help

People crossing the border from Mexico are fully aware
of how open the border at this time, and as the weather
starts to cool off in the next few months your going to see
more and more crossing because they are smart enough
to know that it might be coming to an end !

In the not to distant future someone and or something
will come into this country that will change life as we know
it forever, we have the chance now to correct this however
with the attitude of the administration sadly it's more about politics then securing our southern border.
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Old 08-01-2010, 09:51 AM
 
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Here's my question; Since Arizona police does not have the authority to deport people, what will they do once they arrest someone for coming into this country illegally?
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Old 08-01-2010, 10:00 AM
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Location: Phoenix,AZ
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Here's my question; Since Arizona police does not have the authority to deport people, what will they do once they arrest someone for coming into this country illegally?
They turn 'em over to the Feds.....


Now, if we want to compare a bit......looking back quite a few decades......

Prohibition. Sure, the feds enforced it, but also with a lot of help from local police depts. Alcohol is again legal of course, with some exceptions.

consider those dry counties......
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Old 08-01-2010, 10:15 AM
 
Location: Phoenix,Arizona
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Here's my question; Since Arizona police does not have the authority to deport people, what will they do once they arrest someone for coming into this country illegally?
I hope we'll start sending them to the sanctuary cities
a few thousand bus tickets looks rather inexpensive
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