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Old 12-21-2008, 08:44 PM
 
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Showing that you have little knowledge, if any, of languages. German is the language of absulteness, like having to do with math and the sciences. Yes, German is used quite a bit all around the world when it comes to maths and sciences.

Spanish is NOT important, except to those who refuse to learn English and assimilate. You are wrong once again. Spanish is not an important language anywhere in the world except by those who speak it. It has no importance to any math or science information at all and never will.
What a bunch of crap.

 
Old 12-21-2008, 08:47 PM
 
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Sorry Blacknight04...as a former Canuck do believe Canada is a Dual language country...English and French due to the vast number of French in Quebec. This was adopted in the last 2-3 yrs I believe. Someone please correct me as to the yr when it changed. Steve
I stand corrected, but would you say that those who spoke french in canada at least also spoke some english?
 
Old 12-21-2008, 08:49 PM
 
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The "they" I speak of are the wealthy elite and the one worlders whose only agenda is the eventual adoption of a one world system. We are fast becoming the United States Inc., a place where the only thing that matters are profits for big corporations. The illegals are a large part of this plan. A group with no allegiance to this country. What better way to bring down a people than to dilute the populace with people who don't care about what this country stands for. Call it "tin foil hat" stuff if you wish, but the brutal truth is these people are out there and they do control this country. Always have. And the ruling families of the world do want just one thing. Absolute power and control. Not to say they will ever attain this goal, because history always shows us that when the common man is pushed to far we always rise up against the would be conquerors of the world. But that has never stopped them from trying.
Sorry if i have trouble buying conspiracy theories like that.
 
Old 12-21-2008, 08:51 PM
 
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all Hispanic countries are poor and weak. Why should the dominant culture submit to the subservient one? Till Latin America grows up-----------they will remain Third World. nations.
Rampant Catholicism. Oh, how different things might be if the Spaniards had never invaded The Americas.
 
Old 12-21-2008, 08:56 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles, CA
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Showing that you have little knowledge, if any, of languages. German is the language of absulteness, like having to do with math and the sciences. Yes, German is used quite a bit all around the world when it comes to maths and sciences.

Spanish is NOT important, except to those who refuse to learn English and assimilate. You are wrong once again. Spanish is not an important language anywhere in the world except by those who speak it. It has no importance to any math or science information at all and never will.
Ridiculous. Without any bias, Spanish is much more relevant to the United States than German.

Many terms in science are based off Greek or Latin, the latter of which Spanish is derived from.

English is the more important language of the Germanic languages. There is a much larger Spanish speaking population than a German one.
I think you just picked the first language you could think of to knock on Spanish(why, if you're just against immigration).
Your claims are baseless.
 
Old 12-21-2008, 08:59 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles, CA
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In all fairness: between our crashing economy and hardening attitude towards illegal aliens; most of whom happen to be some variety of Hispanic-----------the pendulum is starting to swing against this bilingual nonsense.
How is being bilingual "nonsense"? I think not learning English is nonsense. But being bilingual is much better than only being able to speak one language.
Spanish will always have a large presence in the United States.

Unless maybe the United States breaks off the continent and drifts to some remote part of the planet with no Hispanic influence whatsoever. Then maybe when all the Hispanics with knowledge of Spanish in the United States die off, Spanish will disappear. Maybe.
 
Old 12-21-2008, 09:04 PM
 
Location: Mesa, Az
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My boyfriend works for Google and because HE was too lazy to learn Spanish, he is not able to go to the Latin American offices because they do not want to furnish a translator. Most of his Latin colleagues do speak English- but why should they in their own country? He's an engineer in one of the most successful businesses out there who is losing out on opportunities because of his lack of Spanish. Similarly, my father works for a transnational company in IT and most of his American colleagues speak either Spanish or French and get a healthy bonus solely for their foreign language acquisition.

I have many friends in Mexico City, having lived there, and while most speak English (and often French) and work for transnational companies, if businessmen come to their office in DF, it is in VERY poor form for him or her to not speak Spanish- at least for the pleasantries. The meeting might be conducted in English, but anything social is in Spanish. I've heard (but not seen) similar things from friends in Nicaragua and Costa Rica.

Not all businesses do business in Latin America of course, but quite a few do and it's absolutely insane to expect them to speak English. And it's a lot harder to learn a foreign language on the demands of an employer once you're an adult. Once you learn ANY foreign language as a child, it makes it so much easier to learn a 3rd or 4th as an adult. That has certainly worked for me and I am conversational in French, Portuguese, and Icelandic on top of my Spanish knowledge.
If working with clients in Latin America--------or, any other non English nation..........common sense indeed dictates that company liasons (sp) there speak the local language.
 
Old 12-21-2008, 09:24 PM
 
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How is being bilingual "nonsense"? I think not learning English is nonsense. But being bilingual is much better than only being able to speak one language.
Spanish will always have a large presence in the United States.

Unless maybe the United States breaks off the continent and drifts to some remote part of the planet with no Hispanic influence whatsoever. Then maybe when all the Hispanics with knowledge of Spanish in the United States die off, Spanish will disappear. Maybe.
Being bilingual is great. Being forced to become bilingual in a specific language because a large immigrant group refuses to learn the language of the land they are desiring citizenship of is not great. It's rude at best.
I don't think anyone desires Spanish and all Hispanic influence to disapear. I know that I don't. But I also don't want the subjagation of my culture - the prevailing culture to that of newcomers who refuse to assimiliate to the land they say they want to become citizens of.
Thats it. And is that so different from what Mexicans would feel of immigrants to their country? Or Brazilians? Or Argentinians? I really don't think that it is. Yet only in the US is it considered racist or xenophobic to dislike those immigrants who want to embrace the country that they left behind at the expense of their new country's language and culture.
 
Old 12-21-2008, 09:37 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles, CA
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Being bilingual is great. Being forced to become bilingual in a specific language because a large immigrant group refuses to learn the language of the land they are desiring citizenship of is not great. It's rude at best.
I don't think anyone desires Spanish and all Hispanic influence to disapear. I know that I don't. But I also don't want the subjagation of my culture - the prevailing culture to that of newcomers who refuse to assimiliate to the land they say they want to become citizens of.
Thats it. And is that so different from what Mexicans would feel of immigrants to their country? Or Brazilians? Or Argentinians? I really don't think that it is. Yet only in the US is it considered racist or xenophobic to dislike those immigrants who want to embrace the country that they left behind at the expense of their new country's language and culture.
Those are two different things. I think you know more about what you desire than what others do. Just saying.

I do not see Spanish being forced on anyone. People come here speaking another language, whether or not they learn English, their children do. Same as always, same as with many different ethnicities. But now the government and businesses are reaching out more to those who reside in this country that don't know English(many of which are legal!), which is a good thing. If it doesn't prevent their children from learning English, who cares?

And like I asked Reads2Much to no response, how is Spanish being forced on people? Particularly in the school system?
 
Old 12-21-2008, 09:45 PM
 
Location: The Chatterdome in La La Land, CaliFUNia
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Being bilingual is great. Being forced to become bilingual in a specific language because a large immigrant group refuses to learn the language of the land they are desiring citizenship of is not great. It's rude at best.
I don't think anyone desires Spanish and all Hispanic influence to disapear. I know that I don't. But I also don't want the subjagation of my culture - the prevailing culture to that of newcomers who refuse to assimiliate to the land they say they want to become citizens of.
Thats it. And is that so different from what Mexicans would feel of immigrants to their country? Or Brazilians? Or Argentinians? I really don't think that it is. Yet only in the US is it considered racist or xenophobic to dislike those immigrants who want to embrace the country that they left behind at the expense of their new country's language and culture.
Exactly. The refusal to assimilate is the heart of many people's objection to learning Spanish. We should not have to placate them if they show zero respect for us.
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