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Old 08-11-2010, 10:54 PM
 
Location: Spokane via Sydney,Australia
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This would be the first amendment (apart from the 18th) that reduces rights.

Except that those here illegally HAVE no rights to reduce..............
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Old 08-12-2010, 01:04 AM
 
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It could be the way they posed the question too. Did they ask if people thought children of 'immigrants' should be denied citizenship, or did they specify illegal aliens? Proponents frequently 'forget' to mention the illegal part.
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Old 08-12-2010, 02:29 AM
 
Location: John & Ken-ville
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There's no reason to change the constitution, they simply need to put it in the context of when it was written, and apply it to modern times. There is no way that the amendment was supposed to make legal hundreds of thousands of anchor babies. That's not the intention of the 14th amendment.
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Old 08-12-2010, 04:24 AM
 
Location: Don't be a cry baby!
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Hey! Thats a good thing then!!! Obama will surely move to remove the amendment then! (Gotta think like a crook!)
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Old 08-12-2010, 05:51 AM
 
Location: Lee's Summit, Missouri
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Oh puhlease..........it's already BEEN changed, many times - wtf do you THINK amendments are?

No-one is suggesting rights be taken away except the FUTURE "rights" of those yet to deliver their babies on US soil while here illegally.

Right but it is a change that would erode the power of the people, and I will never support such a measure. Illegal immigration is an important issue, but not nearly as important of the government trampling on my individual rights. Sure - it only applies to foreigners on US soil - for now. But it's the slippery slope argument - give them an inch, the government will take a mile.
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Old 08-12-2010, 06:19 AM
 
Location: Pa
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One can only wonder what the results might have been if the question were asked in a less PC manner.
For example:
The 14th amendment was written to ensure all slaves and their descendants would be treated as and receive all the rights of US citizens. Do you agree that it should also be applied to the children of people who intentionally violate our immigration laws?
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Old 08-12-2010, 06:53 AM
 
Location: Massachusetts
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Right but it is a change that would erode the power of the people, and I will never support such a measure. Illegal immigration is an important issue, but not nearly as important of the government trampling on my individual rights. Sure - it only applies to foreigners on US soil - for now. But it's the slippery slope argument - give them an inch, the government will take a mile.

For now? So in the future you plan to illegally immigrate to the USA and have a child?
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Old 08-12-2010, 06:55 AM
 
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Have often wondered by "scientific telephone polls", that use a small group of people, nearly always have a different outcomes than the "unscientific" internet polls that have very large group participation.

See the CNN internet poll results. 66% to 34% favor the change. 66,000+ votes.

Why are 1,000 votes more representative than 66,000?
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Old 08-12-2010, 08:04 AM
 
Location: Lee's Summit, Missouri
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For now? So in the future you plan to illegally immigrate to the USA and have a child?
No I was born here; so let's say today we change the constitution so that children born of illegal immigrants are not citizens. Then 10 years down the road the majority decides that this law should be applied retroactively. Then they want to declare millions of African-Americans as illegal because 150 years ago they were brought here and were never actually granted citizenship according to the new test (they were slaves). Then that they want to declare my grandfather illegal because in 1907 when my great-grandfather immigrated from Italy he and his wife gave birth to my grandfather before citizenship was obtained. By extension, then I become an illegal alien. It's a slippery slope. There are a lot of legal citizens born here who might lose their citizenship because of this.
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Old 08-12-2010, 08:06 AM
 
Location: San Diego
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This would be the first amendment (apart from the 18th) that reduces rights.
How would it "reduce a right" of any legal Citizen? It would reduce a right for criminals I grant you that. If you understand the difference between a Illegal and legal Citizen, of course.


Man withdrawing cash with an ATM card and his own pin number = legal.

Man withdrawing cash with a hand gun = Illegal
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