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Old 08-16-2010, 11:41 AM
 
Location: Spokane via Sydney,Australia
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You sure about that? Are you saying you comprehend English better that the rest of us allegedly do...or more accurately don't? Or are you a lawyer and just being "clever"?
Neither, just pointing out common english language usage, especially in the times this was written.

Why? Are you having a problem with someone interpreting it differently than you?
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Old 08-16-2010, 12:48 PM
 
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Neither, just pointing out common english language usage, especially in the times this was written.

Why? Are you having a problem with someone interpreting it differently than you?
A challenge perhaps. Not because it's being interpreted different than me. I don't mean to say or imply that I am not the issue. But that it is being interpreted differently in general. Reading this topic, it is clear that one sentence can be interpreted in at least three ways, including your recent thread and HDude's thread about "this, "that" or "the other thing". I think a problem / challenge lies in the opportunism that seems to come when gray areas of law are exploited as it seems is being done with many "anchor babies"...among other things.
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Old 08-16-2010, 01:47 PM
 
Location: central Oregon
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It is common (and correct) usage in the English language to delineate what would otherwise be lists with commas, rather than the clumsy and/or - you're really clutching at straws here to say that the words preceding the commas (foreigners aliens) are merely an "explanation" of those succeeding them (or who belong to the families of etc etc).

To follow your supposed logic there can BE no foreigners or aliens BORN in the USA except the children of foreign ministers etc.

It is obvious that the interpretation is meant to be that there CAN be "foreigners and aliens" born on USA soil, which leads one to say in that case then, not ALL persons born on USA soil ARE automatically US citizens, no?

You can't have it BOTH ways, even though you may wish to.
I went around and around on this subject with another poster.
I read it the way you do. The commas separate three different groups, yet some insist that all mean the same thing. Why would three different words be needed? Would it not have been easier to just write "children of foreign ministers and ambassadors are not to be given US citizenship"? Would have read clearer, that's for sure.
I said it before: Where is the logic in giving citizenship to children born here from a mother that is not supposed to be here, yet we deny this to people who are here with permission? There is none.
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Old 08-16-2010, 04:28 PM
 
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I went around and around on this subject with another poster.
I read it the way you do. The commas separate three different groups, yet some insist that all mean the same thing. Why would three different words be needed? Would it not have been easier to just write "children of foreign ministers and ambassadors are not to be given US citizenship"? Would have read clearer, that's for sure.
I said it before: Where is the logic in giving citizenship to children born here from a mother that is not supposed to be here, yet we deny this to people who are here with permission? There is none.
This is true. But if lawyers had anything to do with the amendment, they might have purposely worded it this way. Argument and interpretation are built in work / gravy for lawyers.
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Old 08-16-2010, 04:43 PM
 
Location: Pa
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This is true. But if lawyers had anything to do with the amendment, they might have purposely worded it this way. Argument and interpretation are built in work / gravy for lawyers.
Well said. The more a lawyer litigates the more money they stand to earn.
Case in point divorce. Why does a divorce between to average people cost so much? Because the lawyers make sure of it. Hours billed is a motivating factor.
Now take up a notch to corporate law.
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Old 08-16-2010, 04:57 PM
 
Location: Miami / Florida / U.S.A.
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This woman freely admits to deliberately entering the U.S. for the sole purpose of giving birth to a U.S. citizen. She lives in Mexico, and plans to return for future births. Yet, according to proponents of Birthright Citizenship, to deny her this “right” would be unconstitutional and unfairly punish her child. Some even believe it would be racist.

How on earth is U.S. citizenship an entitlement for the children of foreign nationals who hold absolutely no allegiance to this country? At the very least, we should have a residency requirement. You can’t even get a driver’s license in most states without proof of residence. Yet, any woman can give birth to a U.S. citizen without ever having lived here. Incredible!

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Benicar, If you don`t know our laws, go back to school.

All the new world countries have birthright citizenship. It is a law created to attract immigrants.
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Old 08-16-2010, 05:02 PM
 
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Well said. The more a lawyer litigates the more money they stand to earn.
Case in point divorce. Why does a divorce between to average people cost so much? Because the lawyers make sure of it. Hours billed is a motivating factor.
Now take up a notch to corporate law.
Or a niche such as immigration law. One could go to work for the ACLU and sue municipalities, such as the State of California, for having a cross on their flag. The rationale? The cross is offensive to the non Christians in the state. Oh the horror! Even if the cross, a symbol of the missions up and down the coast, is part of the State's history. Silliness!
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Old 08-16-2010, 05:04 PM
 
Location: Pa
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Or a niche such as immigration law. One could go to work for the ACLU and sue municipalities, such as the State of California, for having a cross on their flag. The rationale? The cross is offensive to the non Christians in the state. Oh the horror! Even if the cross, a symbol of the missions up and down the coast, is part of the State's history. Silliness!
The Russians said it best.
The start of any good revolution is to kill all the lawyers. LOL
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Old 08-16-2010, 05:06 PM
 
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Benicar, If you don`t know our laws, go back to school.

All the new world countries have birthright citizenship. It is a law created to attract immigrants.
You are wrong. Most countries require that at least one parent be a citizen or legal resident in order for their newborn to qualify for instant citizenship. Attracts immigrants? You mean it attracts illegal aliens, don't you?
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Old 08-16-2010, 05:13 PM
 
Location: Southern Arizona
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Our country will someday regret permitting this travesty to occur. It’s a free-for-all. I’m surprised they even require women to give birth on U.S. soil. Why not simply charge a fee for U.S. citizenship. After all, it is our moral obligation to offer U.S. citizenship to all who desire it for their children.
I believe that "someday" is already here, Benicar.

Birthright Citizenship has become The Scam Of The Century. It is being abused on a daily basis and anyone, including our lopsided leaders in Washington, supporting it are only doing so for a personal agenda.

We need to eliminate all incentives, including this one, in order to fix our Illegal Immigration Crisis.
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